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Texas Executes Leal Despite Objections

Discussion in 'Off-topic Zone' started by zrinkill, Jul 8, 2011.

  1. zrinkill

    zrinkill Diamond surrounded by trash

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  2. Sam I Am

    Sam I Am Unfriendly and Aloof!

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    (AOL Voice) Goodbye.
  3. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    Humberto Leal Abducted 16-year old Adria Saveda from a party in San Antonio.
    Saveda was raped with a piece of lumber and her head was crushed by a 35-pound piece of asphalt. Her nude body was found near a creek with the piece of lumber still protruding from her.

    Yes I would say the man got what he deserved. If others want to feel sorry for him fine by me but this scum will never hurt another young girl or destroy another family.
  4. Sam I Am

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    No he didn't. He didn't get a 10th of what he deserved.
  5. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    I will not argue that I will say the man will no longer be a threat to anyone.
  6. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    Are there people who feel sorry for him? Was that ever an issue?
  7. zrinkill

    zrinkill Diamond surrounded by trash

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    Agreed

    Agreed
  8. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    Believe me there will be many who will complain because this man was executed and how unjust we are.
  9. zrinkill

    zrinkill Diamond surrounded by trash

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    Yes there are idiots who want to protect this monster.

    http://www.care2.com/causes/humberto-leal.html
  10. big dog cowboy

    big dog cowboy THE BIG DOG Staff Member

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    I'm guessing you don't agree Zrin?
  11. zrinkill

    zrinkill Diamond surrounded by trash

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    I think that is obvious.
  12. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    I don't care that the guy is dead now..actually I do care and think it is a good thing so that is one less rapist out there.

    What I do care about is the reason "some" were objecting or wanting it delayed.

    Basically the state law enforcement did not follow law.

    Some may say so what...he deserved to die.
    And before some person starts acting like this is defending his actions (as often happens when someone has a different take on this board), I is not a good thing to first not adhere to this law and then deny it later.

    The reason being is pretty obvious for those that want to dig into it and want to consider the treaty/law in effect for US citizens in other countries that get arrested. Hard to rail on those countries breaking that law, when we do it ourselves.

    And being that it is a treaty that we signed...

    US Constitution
    Article VI
    Clause 2

    This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
  13. zrinkill

    zrinkill Diamond surrounded by trash

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    I would like to see the evidence of that.
  14. ZeroClub

    ZeroClub just trying to get better

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    Nice job.
  15. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    As soon as you show me evidence that they did. :D

    I am just going by the article and explaining why there were "some" objections.:cool:
  16. joseephuss

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    That is my understanding as well. And those objections aren't made necessarily for this specific guy and case, but for the repercussions it may cause for U.S. citizens who are in other countries.
  17. zrinkill

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  18. Doomsday101

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    If a US citizen goes out and rapes and murders in another country they deserve the punishment under that country law. I think anytime a US citizen goes to any country we are obligated to abide by their laws. Humberto Leal was given a trial by Jury "in a system that many here have argued is the best there is" and found guilty of capital murder.
  19. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    I agree. Of course this is an extreme example of someone committing heinous crimes and actually being guilty. What if someone is falsely accused? Not this particular guy who got what he deserved, but a hypothetical U.S. citizen in another country. That is why the questions or objections were raised. The recognizing of treaties and such falls under "abide by their laws".
  20. Doomsday101

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    and US citizen get arrested in Mexico and I have seen many occasions where they will blackmail to get money out of the family here in the states. These countries are not doing any favors. This is nothing more than an anti death penalty move by the Mexican Government and not the 1st time this has taken place. Our Supreme Court has ruled and found in favor of the State of Texas in this case as they have in others

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