The "death" of bands

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  1. Ntegrase96

    Ntegrase96 Well-Known Member

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    Pretty sure you nailed it.

    The only thing that's really going to top charts consistently is the music that appeals to a wide audience (pop).

    The problem may be that there are actually too many bands, and each band finds its niche via spotify, pandora, youtube, etc.

    The only bands that make it big are the guys (or gals) that appeal to a wide audience: Coldplay, Maroon 5, Imagine Dragons, and in the past few years Paramore, Kings of Leon.

    The only anomaly of late has been Mumford and Sons. They're the only band I can think of with such a different sound to find so much success.
  2. Ntegrase96

    Ntegrase96 Well-Known Member

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    There are bands out there that have been slapped together by some music exec-- for instance, I believe Simon Cowell essentially created One Direction. But that's been true of every generation of music.

    I honestly think this would have been a better description for the music between 98ish and 2003ish.

    I agree with the bolded part, but from a different stand point. It's kind of pointless to do that now because the music industry, like many other industries nowadays, is much less profitable. The internet has given the consumer the power to choose.

    Consumers don't have to buy an entire album to enjoy the one hit wonder that was on the radio any longer because they can listen to it just about anywhere at any time, and if they actually want to purchase the song, they can purchase the song for $1 and disregard the rest of the album.

    But at the same time, the internet has made finding talent easier because of sites like YouTube.

    Because of that, I'd say It's less about creating talent nowadays and more about being able to market the talent found other ways.
  3. Yakuza Rich

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    I don't think there is any rebellion in Lady Gaga. Mainly because so many people see her as trying to follow the Madonna template. And because people were so shocked by Madonna and all of the people following Madonna, they are not shocked by Lady Gaga. It's the reason why so many TV shows are the way they are these days. The idea is to shock people, but all they are doing is taking 'shock jock' radio and applying it to TV. And it's been going on for so long that people are no longer shocked by it.

    I also think in Madonna's case, it wasn't so much rebellion as shock. She had also had a well established safe, pop career before she got into the Justify My Love style of videos. Even then, the videos were often mocked for being so wacky.

    When I grew up, it took forever to just find a radio station that would play a Guns N Roses song that was not Sweet Child O Mine. Eventually the radio stations relented because the audience wanted it too much. While groups like Led Zeppelin were essentially before my time, I would be willing to bet that their fans faced the same issue.

    Whether you call it rebellion or 'edge', those bands had it. And the people of that generation went out of their way to go and hear it. Finally it led to the 90's when radio stations realized that they could make a lot of money by playing that type of music along with hip-hop.

    These days, I just don't see that underbelly of music fans that would prefer to listen to something that is not pop-mainstream. I have a bunch of teenagers that work for me every year and I'm amazed of how content they are to listen to Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, etc. Some of the guys are unabashed fans of Gaga because in their words 'her tunes are catchy.' I just can't imagine getting more than 5 boys from when I was high school that would ever admit that. You would likely be casted as a ****** nozzle back then.

    Now...not so much.

  4. Future

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    Well I would say that "shock" and "rebellion," in terms of music, are basically the same thing, but whatever.

    I don't know exactly what age group you're referring too, but I dont think highschoolers ever went out and searched for it any more than they do now. One of the biggest differences is that radio stations are really quick to adapt, so stuff that might have been underground 5 months ago is mainstream now. Look at EDM and groups like Swedish House Mafia and Daft Punk. They've always had a following, but it wasn't until the last year or so that they got any radio play.
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  5. Ntegrase96

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    I'm 27, so I'm out of touch with teenagers now and pretty darn proud of it.

    But are you sure the guys are 'fans' of Gaga, or just tolerant of her music?

    Back in college, one of the funnier things I remember hearing from one of my guy friends was "This Fergie song is girly as hell, but [***] me if it isn't catchy!"

    Now obviously, Fergie is just terrible, but it was one of those moments where it dawned on me that it was pretty silly to think that you should care what anyone thinks of the music you like. I thought it was one of those things where we were just getting older and it was acceptable to not pretend to die in disgust of pop music, but maybe times were just changing.

    Overall, I think this generation is just more accepting of mainstream music. But I don't think that necessarily means we're fans of it.

    For instance. I'm okay with Lady Gaga. Not as a person per se, but her music is generally good. But I'm not a fan. My spotify playlist consists of Alabama Shakes, Mumford and Sons, Feist, The Heavy, Black Keys, Coldplay, Cold War Kids, Dawes, Bastille (which has actually become pretty popular lately), etc. That's the music I like, but I'm not going to pretend like Gaga doesn't have some good music.
  6. Wheeltax

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    Gaga at least is a talented musician and writes her own music.
  7. Future

    Future Intramural Legend

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    She's annoying as all hell, but she's probably more talented than most people give her credit for.
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  8. Hoov

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    I don't. But I think I'll look into it
  9. Ntegrase96

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    Absolutely. She was accepted into Juilliard's pre-college division when she was age 11 (but ultimately did not attend) and she also went to Tisch School of the Arts.

    I don't care for her act, but from a musical standpoint there probably aren't many pop stars with her pedigree.
  10. stasheroo

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    I would highly recommend trying it out.
  11. DanteEXT

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    Popular music does not appeal to me. Generally speaking, the music I listen to the most never charts very high (though some have hit I big). I've been having to work to find my music since the early 90's.
  12. JoeyBoy718

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    I miss the days 10-15 years ago when all the little kids were into Eminem and all the parents were scared to death. Now the kids listen to soft crap like Drake. I remember the Marilyn Manson era too. And Slipknot. I appreciate a band that inspires (supposedly) a kid to shoot up a school.
  13. MonsterD

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    That seems glib.
  14. JoeyBoy718

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    I overexaggerated. But I appreciated that era when the music was actually rough and scared the parents. I don't know of any musicians (pop/rock/rap) that do that nowadays. Everyone is so cookie-cutter.
  15. theebs

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    there are a ton of bands around...good ones.

    there is just no way to get them noticed in the way people have become accustomed to.
  16. theebs

    theebs Believe!!!!

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    whats not cookie cutter about manson or Eminem? They are cookie cutter music to a tee.

    neither are original or good.
  17. theebs

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    I am among those who listens to a stereo and not computer speakers or a phone for gods sake. I listen to vinyl mostly. I am happy it is coming back and maintaining a healthy rebirth currently. New digital formats are being set out to make music sound good, flac is excellent and the thing neil young is working on is supposed to be excellent.

    but this brings us to the real reason at this point in time the music business is struggling. Supply and Demand.

    the music business exploded in the 60's. The baby boomers and generation x consumed music at an obscene rate. I know because I am a generation x person who is an obsessed music person...I have about 500 cd's, close to 650 albums and a ton of downloaded digital music.

    We in these two groups are not the norm anymore. The audience who consumed this has shrunk considerably. The millenials or generation Y if you will do not consume music the way we did/do. In fact they grew up not paying for it and have that in their mind....there only way to get music they like is to download it.

    As you said, CD sales are falling off of a cliff.....The hope here is This new generation z and the tail end of the millenials appear to be music consumers.

    I think there are a ton of great bands around making excellent records, but there is no mtv, the independent local radio stations who could break bands, take requests and determine the top 40 is gone. They were all bought up in the unregulated conservative windfall under the previous president.

    I am an editor of a music tv show, we have some great artists who are really talented making great music...but its a struggle to find an audience and then keep them. I can tell you people do not even watch music videos anymore. In Texas Music is alive and well. I think in Seattle and some other areas music is also alive and well.

    iTunes allows consumers to buy one song, its like the old days in the 50s and first half of the 60's when people bought 45's. It took some outstanding artists to create the concept of the album and a whole record full of meaningful music. I don't know how we get around this currently.

    It will be interesting to see what happens going forward.
  18. JoeyBoy718

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    True. But at least it had parents scared. Do you think parents are scared of Justin Beiber? It's a sad day when the parents approve of the music their kids are listening to.
  19. theebs

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    this is an entirely different conversation.

    to quote the great josh schwartz "we live in a post everything world"

    Parents being scared means nothing to the quality of the music.

    Different generations of people. I listen to tons of music, the music my kids will grow up listening to will have zero chance of ever scaring me. Ever.

    In the old days parents/adults were fearful of a lot of the stuff that was being told about bands because access to information was not like today. People thought everyone were devil worshippers, gangsters etc.....In the world we live in today you cant be any of those things as a marketing plan put together by the record label. not that record labels exist.
  20. JoeyBoy718

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    I agree for the most part. But I don't think things today are THAT much different from how they were 10 years ago. Maybe I'm underestimating the impact social media and the development of the internet has had on things. I mean I'm talking early 2000. But I forget how new lots of these things are.

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