Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by TheRomoSexual, Oct 14, 2013.
I didn't exclude that game...I provided needed context.
He's been horrible this season. Some of those throws were crazy bad last night.
Whole picture is nobody knew the Giants were going to do that. It was the first game and maybe Dallas provided the blueprint to force the Giants into this turnover machine. Whole picture. Every team has games where they get 4+ turnovers. How about we exclude every teams turnovers against the Giants. This is silly
He is a screen QB and a "one read" QB. He is not that good and is extremely overrated.
Well against the Dolphins the Aint's had 4 turnovers. So we probably should exclude that too correct?
LOL. He was historically one of the best qb's against the blitz last season. Now he's overrated. You guys man.....if he's overrated than so is every other QB in the league.
Please I've been saying since before he was drafted he was overrated. So you cherry pick one stat? If you can't read the defense you are not a QB. He torched everyone last year because if the read option play and defenses allowed players to get open.
And NO got a third of theirs against Miami, week 4. They have since registered a single TO per game.
There you go. Again, Ryan's D and Kiffin's are producing about equivalent turnovers...but N.O. has been stronger in yards and points allowed.
They are a terrible team. That is the picture.
Look at our last 5 games. We have given up ton of yards. We are 30th in league for yards allowed actually. And have only forced 6 turnovers?
We our on pace to shatter the franchise records for most yards allowed in a season. Look at it however you want. That 1st game is the definition of an aberration.
Well if you only count the Washington game we're averaging 2 a game!
You kind of have to count All games played for the average.
Silliest post of the day. There is no league-wide "blueprint" to turn an opposing team into a turnover machine. Ridiculous. The 0-6 Giants merely suck beyond words and we were lucky to play them before they pulled David Wilson.
If this new Kiffin defense is vastly improved in creating turnovers then it should be flashing big in multiple games.
But again, Ryan's defense is creating just as many turnovers...and their trend line is running higher.
Yup. This nails down the thread in about as clean a summary as there is.
A blue print in how to play a team and force turnovers is not silly.
Oh I get it you are in the remove the first game group. Gotcha so that means his statement is the end all. They've created 4 TO the last 2 games.
Bingo, everyone say hello to the term "outlier"...
There's a difference between counting 1 game and multiplying it numerous times and counting numerous games. If we finish with 6 TOs in the first game and 15 TOs in the next 15 games, you can't say, "Well, if you multiply the Giants game 16 times, it's kinda like we produced 96 TOs this season." But you could say, "Despite forcing 21 TOs this season, aside from the Giants game, we were just as effective as we were last year."
It's no fair bringing up outliers when our data set consists of a grand total of six observations. Yes, we our high average is due in significant part to that first game but that's how averages work.
Yes, but we haven't played 16 games. A full 16.7% of our games are extremely high turnover games. If we wind up victimizing another team that gives the ball away a lot later this year then that average will hold up. But those games are in the future. All we've got are six results so lopping off one of them at an outlier isn't valid. There's next to nothing to conclude about this extremely small sample size statistically.
Outside that Giants game, we also have a losing record. It's not an outlier. Turnovers win and lose games in the NFL.