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The Evolution of Jerry Jones The Cowboys GM In The Red Garrett Era

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by WPBCowboysFan, Apr 18, 2014.

  1. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    This is just a really nice take. Even if people don't agree with it, they should be able to see that it's a reasonable argument, and nicely stated.

    I think the situation Jason inherited in Dallas was a tall order, for all the reasons you mention. I lay more of the blame for that circumstance on Jerry than I do on Wade (I blame Wade mostly for not being a strong enough personality to manage his boss while he was in Dallas, but, as you say, managing Jerry is a really, really difficult job). But it's easier to build something from scratch than it is to patch back together something nice and expensive that's broken. I don't understand any fan looking at that 2010 roster, at 1-7, and arguing that it wasn't very broken at that point.

    That said, Jason false started on the OL rebuild. He false started on the DC hire. He got (tragically, in my opinion) snakebite this season on the DL. He's struggled on game days (not as badly relative to any other coach in the NFL as our fans would believe, but it's definitely not his strength. I personally don't even like the offensive scheme all that much.

    All that said, he's brought stability to the organization--or at least stability has increased during his time here. To the draft process, to the cap management. We do have an obvious draft strategy for the first time since I can remember, and it shows. The HC position in Dallas is a very challenging position. Much more than any other team in the league that I can think of (maybe WAS or, until recently, CLE is tougher, but that's more a measure of organizational dysfunction than anything else). It's going to take a special coach to have success here. The one we've got has a lot of skills in that regard, but he's got important open questions about his ability to navigate through a season. And now, he's also got to fix a bad DL on the fly and find a QB in waiting. And he doesn't have room to false start on personnel again. I think we can do it. But I also think it's a tall order. And I really, really don't like the idea of starting from scratch again if we whiff on defense for a third straight season. I guess we'll see how it plays out here, soon enough.
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  2. MarionBarberThe4th

    MarionBarberThe4th Well-Known Member

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    Yea I get not wanting to go through the past and breakdown our heart breaking losses. There's been a few too many blunders I think we can all agree.

    Your indifference towards discussing our inept coaching is in essence an extension of the attitude of the fans who are growing apathetic towards the team in general until they start to get serious about playing winning football.

    But If Jerry is going to sing the praises of ratings over success then I'm on board. Keep Garrett, draft Manziel, hire a swarm of coaches, draft another TE whatever. I'm in, this is fun can't wait to watch the next episode :)



  3. Fansince64

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    You know, after continually reading about this "hot mess" that Jason inherited in 2010 and is now in year 4 of his 4 (or 6, or 10, or 25, or pick your time period) year "processs" of fixing, I am more and more convinced that Wade MUST have been an incredibly brilliant Hall of Fame coach for taking that group of untalented and overpriced rejects and going 11-5 with our first playoff win since forever in 2009. I never had much respect for Wade before, but y'all have convinced me .... Wade for HOF!!!


    Monte Sliger
  4. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    It's hardly a new topic around her, MB4. You might have missed it during your vacation, but losses believe to be attributed to the head coach have been talked to death.

    It also a topic that present very little hope of ever getting a consensus, since any close loss is going to have dozens of contributing factors, each of which could be sufficiently responsible for the loss. That's the nature of close games.

    It's also the case that every team has games lost every season that can be attributed by disappointed fans to coaching decisions. The obvious implication is that no coach is going to make decisions 100% of fans like in any loss. It's much better to concentrate on building the team in such a way that the number of games that come down to the wire is minimized. That only happens when you draft well and develop your players and create a culture of focus and concentration and success. It's hard to do. Especially in Dallas under Jerry Jones.
  5. MarionBarberThe4th

    MarionBarberThe4th Well-Known Member

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    Oh I'm Sure I missed plenty during my vacation. Enough time that so many blunders acumated we've all forgotten a few I'm sure. No need to look back and bemoan. however it's relevant to acknowledge when discussing if this guy hae suceeded in ANY aspect . He took over the S.S. 500 and steered it absolutely nowhere .


    For example jerry asks if they draft evobar in the second round are they gonna use the two tight end package more? Turns out we used that package 20th most in the league.

    Another example: Jason Garrett decides to switch to a 4-3 defense and destroys wares career, renders our 1st/2nd round Deion clone useless, and gets nothing out of carter.

    HUGE wastes of assets, of which we have so few and can not afford to squander.
  6. Beast_from_East

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    Yea, Wade won 2 division titles and a playoff game with one of the worst rosters in the history of the NFL.

    Poor Garrett never had a chance................or so I am told.
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  7. khiladi

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    Oh wow, the Garrett story is still in full effect...

    So during Wade's era we needed Dave Reeves to look at the running game, and now we hire Callahan for the running game and Garrett supposedly is making progress? Last time I checked, Garrett still sucks in play-action.
  8. khiladi

    khiladi Well-Known Member

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    I remember when Miles Austin had that one break-out game at KC and Garrett-homers thought that this would allow the offense to flourish, but that didn't happen. Back then, it was just a missing 2nd receiver from the equation...
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  9. Fansince64

    Fansince64 Active Member

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    It was Dan not Dave but the meaning is the same. And, BTW .... What play-action??? He is still early in his training regimen. It will be a while before he is able to take on advanced play calling duties (rotflmao).


    Monte Sliger
  10. khiladi

    khiladi Well-Known Member

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    LOL.. I originally wrote Dave Campo, saw it and changed the last name. I forgot to change the first name.
  11. khiladi

    khiladi Well-Known Member

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    The most comical thing about all these guys claiming Garrett has been cleaning out the roster of OLD players and finally making changes is exemplified in how this genius handled the QB situation, by going after a guy who couldn't toss the ball 15 yards because he was so old, Brad Johnson, followed by Jon, Mr. Interception Kitna at the tail-end of his career. These are clear Jason Garrett picks.

    This clearly demonstrates that this team, with it's HC, has always been in a win now, otherwise we would have drafted some young QB to train and guide along the way with Romo, so that by the time Romo reaches mid-30s with a bad back and issues our young players would have a QB to lead them. Plus, the very notion Garrett was trying to clean out a roster and waste the years of Tony Romo is just comical.

    There has never been a process with Jason Garrett. It's all just political coach speak of a guy that doesn't have any control nor does he know what he's doing.

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