The Evolution of Jerry Jones The Cowboys GM In The Red Garrett Era

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  1. WPBCowboysFan

    WPBCowboysFan Well-Known Member

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    General consensus is that Harbaugh inherited a talented roster. He SHOULD HAVE done well.

    Could we hope for the same results with our roster if we dumped Red _ and hired another coach?
  2. burmafrd

    burmafrd Benched

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    a top coach should be able to make a difference; like bellicheat has done. Like Coach Tom did. Red is not one of those.
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  3. Chocolate Lab

    Chocolate Lab Run-loving Dino

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    The exact same results? Probably not -- going to the conference championship game every year is pretty hard to duplicate. But the point is that changing systems like the Niners did on offense and defense doesn't take years anymore. (And I think it's revisionist to say that the Niners were -so- talented... No one was saying that in Singletary's last year.)
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  4. WPBCowboysFan

    WPBCowboysFan Well-Known Member

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    Not if you were paying attention. Its revisionist to say they were not.
  5. WPBCowboysFan

    WPBCowboysFan Well-Known Member

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    I would tend to agree. Red hasnt shown that he is one of those and the comparisons to Coach Landry are laughable at this point.
  6. visionary

    visionary Well-Known Member

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    i cannot believe rational fans still believe this stuff

    comparing a guy who has failed at every coaching stop to a guy who was a great college HC and has taken his team to 3 straight NFC CGs

    if the niners had hired garrett the niners fans would be talking about the process, stacking stuff, the easter bunny, and the tooth fairy
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  7. CowboysFaninDC

    CowboysFaninDC Well-Known Member

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    and what do you think the next coach will accomplish that the previous 6 since Johnson didn't?
  8. CowboysFaninDC

    CowboysFaninDC Well-Known Member

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    you might be right. he probably makes a better GM or front office man, than a coach.
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  9. birdwells1

    birdwells1 Well-Known Member

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    So he got play calling duties taken away (failed), he may get fires at the end of next season (failed), so lets promote him to GM. What kind of sense does that make for any team?
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  10. Beast_from_East

    Beast_from_East Well-Known Member

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    Didn't one of those 6 win a SB after Jimmy left? (see Barry Switzer)

    Also, didn't 4 of those 6 since Jimmy make the playoffs with Dave Campo and Jason Garrett being the two exceptions?
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  11. cml750

    cml750 Well-Known Member

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    Considering Jerry will hire the next coach, I do not hold out too much hope he will get it right however it is painfully obvious he got it wrong with Garrett who can't even manage a clock. I guess I just hold out some hope he will hire the right guy who is passive enough when dealing with Jerry to make Jerry happy and stern enough with the players to get the most out of them and maybe just maybe would have a little bit of a frickin clue as to how to manage a game clock better than a peewee coach(unlike Garrett).
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  12. WPBCowboysFan

    WPBCowboysFan Well-Known Member

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    And simply making the playoffs in a league where almost half the teams make it each year is some kind of significant accomplishment?
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  13. Idgit

    Idgit If you food, you gonna be ate. Staff Member

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    They actually were. There was a lot of young talent on that team. That said, Harbaugh did a fantastic job, immediately. He was a great hire for them. Most notably, he turned Alex Smith around and *then* brought in a young franchise QB without burning a first round pick. That's really impressive.
    I'd be all for a good young coach like that if we had one identified. I've yet to hear a name I like better than what we've got who's actually likely to be available, though. I'm not interested in making a change because we want the illusion of motion. I'd want actual motion.

    Chip Kelly was another coach I had a lot of interest in, and I was really bummed to see him go to Philly. There are other guys I like out there, but fewer of them I think have the potential to play nicely with Jerry. And fewer yet of those guys are actually available.
  14. SilverStarCowboy

    SilverStarCowboy The Actualist

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    Evolution from dirt to mud, just added more fresh fan squeezed eye nectar to the settled dust. Looks like more rain on the way with no drought relief in sight.
  15. casmith07

    casmith07 Attorney-at-Zone

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    Impossible standards. Regardless of what this football team does, there will always be detractors on this website.

    I've said it numerous times - we could go 19-0 and win the Super Bowl and someone here will criticize Tony for hoisting the Lombardi Trophy with his right hand instead of his non-throwing hand.
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  16. birdwells1

    birdwells1 Well-Known Member

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    Huh? We also could go 8-8 miss the playoffs 3 years in a row and some will want a ticker tape parade, see how that works? The standards aren't impossible, make the playoffs make some noise showing promise of going farther the next year.

    If the Cowboys continue like they have the last few years, the job of propping up this organization is only going to get harder because more people see what's "really" going on. You should have heard me in the 90s, boy you couldn't say nothing about JJ or you were going to get an ear full from me but as time went on Toto pull back the curtain to show the "Wiz" for what he really is.
  17. cml750

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    LOL, you are 100% correct!! All the Campo hate and Garrett love around here and they don't even realize Campo and Garrett are the only two coaches in Cowboy's history to not make the playoffs. At least Campo's team didn't have a QB. Garrett does not have that excuse!!
  18. ConstantReboot

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    Questionable moves under Garrett should be longer.

    -You forgot to mention that we relied too long with Costa under Center when we got rid of Gurode. Somehow he seems to hang onto these deadbeat olinemen for too long.
    -Called plays that took too long to develop.
    -Failed to utilize Dez
    -Failed to run the ball even though we have a legit runningback.
    -Atrocious game management skills which still lingers on until now
    -His still learning how to coach
    -Failed to fix the oline sooner than he should have ( its still a problem)
    - Too stubborn to pass on the playcalling to someone else even though he sucked.
    - Knows how to throw his coaches under the bus (see Calahan)
    - Doesn't take accountability for his faults (see Rob Ryan)
    - Never really deserved to be coach from the start and was one of the main problems during Wade's tenure
    - 8-8 3 years in a row.
    - Doesn't know how to win the big games to get into the playoffs
    - Still has to be told what to do by Jerry on how to run the team ( see playcalling)
    - I could go on and on but I will stop there.

    Garrett has his faults and still has a ways to go before being considered a good coach. Our team needs one badly.
    I reacted to you post because you pointed out that it was Parcells fault that Jerry signed TO. Yet you failed to point out major failures by Garrett. I think you give him way too much credit for success even though some of those moves were by Jerry and you blame Parcells for the bad moves by Jerry. Doesn't make sense.
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  19. big dog cowboy

    big dog cowboy THE BIG DOG Staff Member

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    Post of the day.

    But you forgot one thing - Romo would also be critized for wearing his hat backwards.
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  20. junk

    junk I've got moxie

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    Such as? Their record doesn't really show it.

    Sensabaugh was given his big contract while Garrett was coach. He can't get credit for signing a guy to a big contract (not to mention a guy that no one had enough interest in to sign to more than a one year deal previously) and then cutting him two years later.

    Bradie James left as a free agent.

    Brooking wasn't a big contract by any stretch.

    But Garrett doesn't really seem to have the team going anywhere. The team probably isn't good enough to compete for a Super Bowl, but it was good enough to get in the playoffs the last couple of years. Coaching held them back.

    Drafting? I don't get this mentality that Garrett turned the drafting process around. It looks about the same as it was whenever it wasn't being guided by someone not named Jimmy or Bill.

    This is very crude, but let's compare to Parcells and Phillips first three years of drafting to Garrett's with respect to Pro Bowls/All Pros.

    Parcells - Newman (2 Pro Bowls), Witten (9x Pro Bowl, 6x All Pro), Demarcus Ware (7x Pro Bowl, 4x All Pro), Marion Barber (1x Pro Bowl), Jay Ratliff (4x Pro Bowl, 1x All Pro), Tony Romo (3x Pro Bowl), Miles Austin (2x Pro Bowl), Jason Hatcher (1x Pro Bowl), Mat McBriar (2x Pro Bowl, 2x All Pro)
    Phillips - Anthony Spencer (1x Pro Bowl), Nick Folk (1x Pro Bowl), Mike Jenkins (1x Pro Bowl), Dez Bryant (1x Pro Bowl)
    Garrett - Tyron Smith (1x Pro Bowl), DeMarco Murray (1x Pro Bowl)

    Garrett had one draft that looks pretty good (2011 benefiting from a top ten pick), one that looks pretty thin (2012) and one that is probably too early to tell.

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