The Evolution of Jerry Jones The Cowboys GM In The Red Garrett Era

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  1. Aurican

    Aurican Active Member

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    I disagree, under Garrett the team has had one of the worst defenses in history and a horrible offensive line not to mention a carousel of coaching changes. I would also include the hiring of Garrett himself as one of the dumb moves as he has been unable to show he has the ability to be a successful head coach. If this team has improved as much as it has been made out how is it unable to make the playoffs in such a weak division?

    In the end I believe Jerry will be Jerry no matter who the coach is, he will always think he's a player away from a championship and will make dumb moves based on advice from his drinking buddies. Jimmy and Parcells were the only exceptions and there were special circumstances under them but even with Parcells we saw the Peerless Price, Drew Henson and TO moves.
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  2. Richmond Cowboy

    Richmond Cowboy Well-Known Member

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    I was expecting a Jimmy Fallon dance skit based on the thread title.
  3. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    Basically, Yes.

    I think most people just don't see how bad it was to have Wade Phillips as the Head Coach.

    With Jerry as the GM, he really needs a Head Coach that takes on some of the GM duties. Wade not only was clueless in that area, but he also failed at the #1 requirement of a Head Coach under Jerry and that is to keep the team playing hard and to have a good locker room mentality. Wade let the inmates run the asylum and many developed an inflated sense of entitlement. Once you let players develop that attitude (like Ratliff) it's almost impossible to reverse it. The one player that did seem to go from a sense of entitlement under Wade to trying to be a leader under Garrett was Hatcher.

    I know people wanted an instant turnaround like with Harbaugh in SF, but that team has a really good roster situation before Harbaugh arrived. Singletary at least instilled a sense of discipline in the team. It was really a terrific situation for Harbaugh to step into and drastically different than the situation that Garrett inherited.

    Due to contract and cap issues, the changes with the Cowboys have had to come slowly. They were in a hole and are just know on flat ground. They can now really focus on building the team without all of the shuffling around of players with big contracts and the salary cap. The 2009 draft and the Roy Williams trade also had them in a hole at the beginning of Garrett's tenure.

    I like where they are now in comparison to the past few years. The roster has several quality young players and several more young players with possible upside combined with a much better future cap situation than at any time in the past several years. They need a good draft and then they need to develop stability within the defensive scheme during the season.
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  4. birdwells1

    birdwells1 Well-Known Member

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    This is a contradiction, I don't hate Garrett I just think that he got a job that he didn't earn and therefor is in over his head.
  5. birdwells1

    birdwells1 Well-Known Member

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    Don't seem like it's working to well, you're still obsessed. smh
  6. CowboysFaninDC

    CowboysFaninDC Well-Known Member

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    its not a contradiction. he maybe a better gm than a coach. "Better" doesn't mean "Good".

    and I agree that he is probably over his head. learning on the job and making mistakes along the way. has done some good things. has done some wrong things.
  7. dallasdave

    dallasdave Well-Known Member

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    I didn't know Jerry joined Evolution, when did that happen?
  8. Wolfpack

    Wolfpack Well-Known Member

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    Don't forget Eddie George on the list. I hated seeing Eddie seething on the sidelines because Parcells wouldn't play him. You can tell who thought Eddie was a good idea and it wasn't the Tuna. I loved Eddie but he was out of gas by the time he got to Dallas.
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  9. Beast_from_East

    Beast_from_East Well-Known Member

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    Compared to watching at home on the couch................................yes..............................and if it is so easy to make the playoffs, why cant Garrett?
  10. Beast_from_East

    Beast_from_East Well-Known Member

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    Campo had expansion talent compared to what Opie was handed.

    Also will throw this out there..............the fact that Parcells took a team with Quincy Carter at QB to the playoffs and Garrett cant with Romo at QB is very telling.

    Both Mickey Spagnola and Nick Eatman have called that season the greatest coaching job they have ever seen.................there is a reason Parcell's bust is in Canton right now.

    Only way Garrett will ever see Canton is when he buys a ticket and takes a tour.
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  11. DallasEast

    DallasEast Cowboys 24/7/365 Staff Member

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    February 25, 2019 will be the 30th anniversary of Jones buying the franchise.

    He can get there if he keeps his cholesterol in check, exercise and not drown his remaining brain cells in alcohol.

    Yee haw.
  12. HoustonFrog

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    Why do I keep seeing the bolded? Hindsight makes people think SF was so good but badly coached so I was easy to turnaround. Those players had something to do with the work getting them 2 wins. Garrett inherited a team that was not far removed from a playoff season and that had talent...talent that was years younger on D with Ware, etc and a pretty loaded offense. Did Carroll get lucky in Seattle too? What about Mike Smith in Atlanta, who took over a team that had a coach quit on them and who was in the middle of a dog fight scandal. How did he have 5 straight winning seasons? Stop the excuses.

    Also, please stop the "teams don't quit on Garrett." 99% of the league doesn't quit on coaches. They get paid. They're pros playing for contracts. It is rare to have a Phillips season. I heard this refrain while living in Houston about Kubiak. The players LOVED him. They never quit. Too bad he was never a good head coach and they wasted talent and years.

    The reality is building slowly in the NFL is not needed anymore. Teams change playoff fortunes yearly. It's not uncommon. The great ones do it consistently. Many turn it on a dime...even in our division. We are the only ones thinking a process I needed. That's called a plan to be .500
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  13. gimmesix

    gimmesix Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life

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    The only real change I've seen is not tying up the cap to keep Ware. There does seem to be an actual attempt to not pay age, but not because of anything Garrett has done IMO, simply because the Joneses have been burned by it too many times and injuries have especially been a problem the last few years.
    Jerry will make concessions when Jerry needs to make concessions. (He did for Jimmy obviously, for Parcells ...), but he's only a changed man when something (other than him being GM) makes it clear to him that it isn't working.

    Hiring bad seeds like Pacman Jones, Terrell Owens and Tank Johnson didn't work, so Jerry started wanting less disreputable players, which means Garrett gets RKGs. (Notice that not all RKGs are created equal.)

    Having an older offensive line wasn't working, so Jerry conceded to let it get younger, which also took some weight off the cap.

    Paying older guys didn't work, so Jerry is now letting some of them go instead of rewarding them for past success.

    Those kind of moves are going to look favorable for the head coach, but Jerry is always only going to do what he feels is best for this team. (Although I don't think he ever truly believed that letting Jimmy go was for the best.)

    I don't say this to bash Jerry, simply to say let's deal with the reality of having him as owner/GM. It's his team to control and he's going to go with it where his judgment at the time takes him. It's up to the head coach to know how to use those shifts in judgment.
  14. dallasdave

    dallasdave Well-Known Member

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    So was it Triple H who got Jerry to join Evolution ?
  15. ConstantReboot

    ConstantReboot Well-Known Member

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    I like your point of view but I somewhat disagree with your point. The reason why I disagree is because Parcells and Garrett's influence on Jerry is very different. I prefer how Parcells ran things because he brought in a winning philosophy. Got rid of the deadbeats and the processes that didn't equate to winning. He installed his own style and brought in players that worked with his system. He was also the only coach that wasn't afraid to confront Jerry and in many ways, did things that Jerry didh't agree with. Sure Jerry was able to do things like sign TO but I can assure you that he still had to walk on eggshells when Parcells was in charge. Basically, Parcells brought results and brought back respectability to what the star stands for.

    Now compare this to Garrett's influence on Jerry.

    Jerry handpicked Garrett because he was part of the 90s team and has a history with the Cowboys. Although Garrett was new to coaching, Jerry thought highly of him and have already envisioned him as a future coach in the making. He even gave him the tag " genius" which he doesn't really deserve. To Jerry Garrett is like his personal son and will do anything to make sure he succeeds. But is that what you want as a real coach for the Cowboys? Garrett is new and is terrible at game management. He gets his way with Jerry because Jerry wants him to succeed in anyway possible and to prove the world that he made the right decision with Garrett. Its not about Garrett being a good coach or anything like that. Its about Jerry not wanting to be proven wrong with his selection Garrett. That is why he wants to make sure that Garrett succeeds.

    Thus I still believe that Parcells was a better coach. He brings in the results and Jerry respected him as a coach. On the otherhand, Garrett is being treated like a son rather than a coach. Garrett is like a child in Jerry's eyes and he gets to have anything he wants because Daddy Jerry wants to make sure his son, Garrett succeeds as coach.
  16. ConstantReboot

    ConstantReboot Well-Known Member

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    What about Bellicheck coaching the offense?
    What about Harbaugh running his defense?
    Whats your point?

    Your saying that we didn't make the playoffs because of injuries.Well I say that nothing but an excuse.

    We were 8-8 for 3 consecutive years and each year we could have made the playoffs by winning the final game of the season. That was all that Garrett needed to do. He just needs to win the final game. But no he completely failed in doing so. He can't find ways to win important games. Heck he can't even win close games.

    Basically, is the only coach in the NFL right now who has failed to win the final game of the season 3 years in a row to send us into the playoffs. To me thats very disturbing and a strong indication on Garrett's ability to coach.

    Him not being to win the big games is not because of injury at all. We played the Eagles in that final game pretty well. It was Garrett who failed to provide a cohesive game plan in winning that game. He doesn't provide an advantage. In fact, he provides no advantage at all and its the one main reason why I believe Garrett will not become a good coach.
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  17. WPBCowboysFan

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    I think we pretty much know by now what we have in Red _. Its possible he could get better, but not very likely IMO. If he lets some good coordinators do the game planning and play calling he may become a much better HC in spite of himself.
  18. jobberone

    jobberone Kane Ala Staff Member

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    1-7 speaks volumes.
  19. HoustonFrog

    HoustonFrog Well-Known Member

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    So basically you ignore a whole post of facts and take something that wasn't disputed and use it as truth. 1-7 doesn't mean people quit on teams often. As I said, the league is full of bad teams yearly that don't quit. Garrett isn't special because his team does what 31 others do...and ends up at .500.
  20. junk

    junk I've got moxie

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    There is no doubt that Phillips was sub par as a HC. I don't agree that we should settle for something comparable to that just because that is all we can hope for when it comes to working with Jerry. At least Phillips got to the playoffs.

    If Garrett gets kudos for the good, he needs to get criticism for the bad. Garrett compounded the cap issues (or was at least party to) during his time with the constant restructuring approach. I don't think this year's moves were part of any sort of long term orchestrated plan. Their hand was forced by poor salary cap management and they realized they had to do something if they wanted to keep their young players long term (Dez and Smith, in particular)

    Hatcher was contract year motivated, not Garrett motivated.

    As far as the draft, you can say that every year (and we do). Oh, we really need to nail the draft this year. Shouldn't that be your plan every year?

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