Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by speedkilz88, Apr 18, 2017.
They were plenty creative with the S they drafted a couple years ago playing him all over the formation.
Well Peppers would almost have to require the same, especially early.
I see him making an immediate impact on the punt return game and then have to develop elsewhere.
I'm skeptical of Lawson's back.
In fairness, one of our coaches coached Peppers at Michigan so I give them a better than average chance at using Peppers correctly.
Its a different game, but I see your point. They would have to change up some things though.
I just don't see Peppers coming in with an immediate impact on the D in coverage. Rotating him situationally with Heath, perhaps. He would be good on run downs immediately, but in coverage, I'm not so confident in him being ok. He will need some work, and we don't want to ruin his confidence immediately by him getting beat.
I wouldn't mind him at all, but we also have to know we will have to develop him a bit.
he is considered the 4ht best SS not necessarily 4th round.
That's what 4 is for.....4th round talent
saw a couple other scouts on twitter say they lioked th eother COLO CB better.
not sure as I watched zero Colorado football.
I stand corrected missed the spreadsheet tweet.
Either way Peppers is intriguing he seems a lot like an unpolished woods on that played a similar role back when he was drafted out of asu.
interesting one. similar bodies for sure. both returners.
whitner of course had more actual safety experience and the 5 INTs.
i did watch the video and what was clear is the guy was clueless about about football lol.
again yes, he addresses michigan and that scheme just fine.
but every safety that's ever played has had to play off the ball and handle two way breaks.
if you can not do that in college that is a big issue.
the safety he covers most similarly to may well be roy williams.
peppers was not being asked to cover NFL guys. he was covering spares and struggling.
try watching tape without a fanboy breakdown my man.
watch the colorado tape especially.
Not down after down after down they have not and also not from the LB position. Further, no, most S are not asked to take man calls and certainly not without help.
Roy Williams lacked quickness and speed. That is absurd.
You know I watched him. Also that guy is not a "fanboy." He wrote factually and presented evidence. Your lack of evidence and long on assertions could esaily be dubbed a "hater" just the same.
I think he will be a great pick in the 1st. Now that we signed Blanton I'm not sure we pick safety.
If Peppers is there in the 2nd-4th rounds I'm running to the podium
Again, Peppers only played in that defense for one season. So his talking points are pretty limited.
What Peppers was asked to do varied by opponent and situation but what he did well was consistent across all games.
Watch the actual friggin film of the games without the commentary.
Peppers is outstanding. In that Colorado tape he was the best player on the field. Easily.
But he also struggled mightily as did Michigan in any coverage situations so they switched it up and Peppers blitzed virtually every play in the last 2mnd and 3rd quarters.
Peppers took over the game when we wasn't asked to play off coverage.
The score went from Colorado up by like 10 to a woodshed game in favor of Mich.
And this isn't 1980 anymore. When teams go 4/5 WRs yes Safeties have to be able to play 2 way goes period.
Peppers shows zero ability to play off the ball. Yes like RW31 he is dominant near the line of scrimmage and going forward.
RW31 was a legit Heisman candidate at OU.
For the third time now:
I WATCHED THE GAMES. I DO NOT AGREE WITH YOU!
I have watched several LB and S as well and none of them were left on an island like Peppers was routinely except corners, top 10 types, and Baker.
He blitzed 4 times against Colorado by my count.
This notion that he cannot play off coverage is just hyperbole. He is lined up 7-10 yards deep with no help in sight down after passing down.
Teams ran curls to try to set up flies and it did not work. They then would start running quick ins and outs but I am curious exactly how he is supposed to cover those without help over the top.
He cannot charge down on them because he has no help. As it was he made a quick tackle and nullified any further gain. He is also very stout at the top of the route which many DBs in this calss have an issue with.
The main issue I saw was in zone awareness with guys coming across the field behind him and run pass recognition. Given his lack of experience this should be zero surprise and I can think of several DBs with similar issues that are top 50 talents with Humphries front and center.
That the Michigan DC put him in that position without help given his inexperience was not exactly setting him up to succeed. It was putting all the onus on him and he made tons of plays for all the hand waving at picks.
Peppers is average at multiple positions.
I'm not taking average with my first round draft pick .
I would take Adoree Jackson over Peppers if it came down to it.
From Dane Brugler's draft guide that I have purchased.
I'd advise others to do the same. Dane is by all accounts a great guy and very good at his job.
4. JABRILL PEPPERS | Michigan 5107|213 lbs|3SO East Orange, N.J. (Paramus Catholic) 10/4/1995 (age 21) #5 YEAR (GP/GS) TKLS TFL SACK FF PD INT GRADE 1st-2nd Round 2014: (3/1) 8 0.0 0.0 0 0 0 (Medical redshirt) MEASUREABLES Arm: 30 3/4 | Hand: 09 5/8 | Wingspan: 74 2015: (12/12) 45 5.5 0.0 0 10 0 (DB) COMBINE 40-YD: 4.46 | 10-YD: 1.54 | 20-YD: 2.62 | BP: 19 | VJ: 35 1/2 | BJ: 10’08” 2016: (12/12) 72 16.0 4.0 1 1 1 (LB) SS: 4.11 | 3C: 6.99 Total: (27/25) 125 21.5 4.0 1 11 1 PRO DAY N/A (positional drills only) PRONUNCIATION Juh-BRILL
BACKGROUND: A five-star cornerback recruit out of high school, Peppers was considered one of the premier talents in the 2014 recruiting cycle and committed to Michigan over LSU, Notre Dame, Penn State and Stanford – also won the 100-meter and 200-meter dash at the New Jersey Championships as a junior and senior at Paramus Catholic and holds the state record in the 200-meters (20.79). Peppers started the 2014 season opener and played in the first three games before injuries sidelined him for the rest of the season, taking a medical redshirt. He returned in 2015 and started 12 games at defensive back, posting 45 tackles, 5.5 tackles for loss and a career-best 10 passes defended to earn First Team All-Big Ten honors. Peppers moved to linebacker as a sophomore in 2016 (12 starts) and finished with 72 tackles, 16.0 tackles for loss and one interception to become the first player in Big Ten history to win three individual awards: Nagurski-Woodson Defensive Player of the Year, Butkus-Fitzgerald Linebacker of the Year and Rodgers-Dwight Return Specialist of the Year – also finished fifth in the 2016 Heisman Trophy voting. He decided to forego his final two seasons of eligibility and enter the 2017 NFL Draft.
STRENGTHS: Twitchy athlete…special burst, acceleration and closing speed…lateral range to mirror at the line of scrimmage and make plays at both sidelines…shoots through gaps and corrals ballcarriers…comes to balance well on the move to break down as a tackler…explodes at contact to create jarring collisions…speed to match running backs, tight ends and most receivers downfield…fearless and tough, competing with a junkyard dog attitude…understands play indicators and stays dialed in…no stranger to adversity with his up-bringing – father (Terry) convicted of felony firearm and drug charges in 2002…Michigan coaching staff put a lot on his plate with significant snaps on offense and special teams…dangerous return man on special teams, averaging 26.8 yards on kickoff returns (18/483/0) and 13.1 yards on punt returns (39/510/1), including one touchdown…scored five touchdowns on offense, averaging 5.3 yards as a runner (45/239/5) and 8.2 yards per reception (10/82/0)…versatile defensive experience with snaps at cornerback, safety and linebacker – awarded the 2016 Paul Hornung Award for his versatility…born performer and prefers the bright lights.
WEAKNESSES: Confused skill-set and lacks a natural position…eaten up near the line of scrimmage due to below average shed skills…late to anticipate blockers and leverage gaps…often plays too fast, overrunning angles and missing his target…shorter arms show on off-balanced tackle attempts…cover instincts are lacking…looks uncomfortable with his back to the ball…will attract penalties with his grabby paws in man coverage…undeveloped route recognition from off-coverage and needs to improve his body position downfield…poor ball production with 11 career passes defended and only one interception…four career fumbles at Michigan and holds the ball careless at times…limited growth potential…missed several games over his career due to injuries, including a hamstring issue (Dec. 2016) that forced him to sit out his final game.
SUMMARY: A two-year starter at Michigan, Peppers lined up as a SAM linebacker in the Wolverines 4-3 base scheme last season, moving from the secondary where he previously saw snaps at safety and cornerback (inside and outside). He flashes explosive traits and above average play speed, but his skill-set lacks sophistication. Peppers doesn’t have the play strength or take-on skills to make a living near the trenches and plays too reactive in man and zone coverages. However, he doesn’t lack for confidence and should improve once he can focus on one position and isn’t stretched thin during the week between defensive, offensive and special teams meeting rooms. Peppers is a difficult evaluation,
Basically you are wrong, lol.
Not sure how else to say this.
where you are wrong:
1. 7-10 yards is not off coverage for a safety. 15-20 yards is. Watch Cowboys tape if this confuses you.
2. The Michigan DC was rewarded for how he used Peppers with the best Michigan defense in a decade plus.
3. Lots of scouts I trust have him ranked around 100. I haven't had a single board by anyone I trust with him in the top 25.
4. You have to watch the player and place him in the role of the defense he would be playing. You can;t assume because a guy can break dance he'd be great at ball-room.
5. At the top of the routes he is very physical but that's called pass interference in the NFL.
6. He blitzed 3 times in a row and at least 6 time sin the late 2nd to 3rd quarter versus Colorado. This happened to coincide with the score changing from Colorado ahead to wayyyy behind.