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The fatal flaw was exposed

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by blindzebra, Sep 21, 2005.

  1. blindzebra

    blindzebra Well-Known Member

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    At the 7 minute mark of the 3rd quarter.

    I just rewatched the game on tivo...yeah, I'm a sucker for pain...and Brunell scrambled and Glenn and Roy bit and they hit Moss for a big gain up the sideline.

    They did not line Moss up on the right again until the first TD.
  2. BlueStar22

    BlueStar22 Well-Known Member

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    what time is that SF game?
  3. Smith22

    Smith22 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I noticed that earlier and was surprised it wasn't mentioned. Bottom line, we had Glenn on the outside and TNew in the slot every time we went to the nic defense, yet no one complained much because we weren't exposed on it until the end of the game. I'm curious to see if we make any changes over the next week or 2 with TNew and Glenn, be it pre-game or on a play-by-play basis depending on where the #1 WR lines up.
  4. Chuck 54

    Chuck 54 Well-Known Member

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    It will be interesting to see what BP says, if anything, but I don't think the play was Glenn's responsibility...he was clearly staying outside intentionally...the TD's were a result of Roy letting Moss get behind him on both plays.
  5. stilltheguru

    stilltheguru New Member

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    'SKINS EXPOSE WILLIAMS



    There's rampant talk in league circles following the Cowboys' late-game loss to the Redskins that those two loooong passes from Mark Brunell to Santana Moss exposed Dallas safety Roy Williams as a very poor performer in pass coverage.



    While no one questions his ability to stuff the run, the book on Williams now includes a separate chapter regarding his weaknesses against aerial attacks.



    The recipient of arguably undue hype for his overall game, Williams simply doesn't have the raw speed to be a factor in pass coverage. On both of Washington's fourth-quarter touchdowns, Williams couldn't provide deep help to break up the play.
  6. dbair1967

    dbair1967 Arch Defender

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    I just think its really stupid to have used a #5 pick on a shutdown CB, and spend what we did on Anthony Henry...then watch in key game situations as they have nothing to do with the coverage on the other teams best WR two weeks in a row...they did it last week with McCardell and Monday with Moss

    its just one more reason that Z....

    oh screw it

    David
  7. stilltheguru

    stilltheguru New Member

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    there was alot of fault to be thrown around after mondays game..........just move on and look forward to the niners.


    i refuse to talk about that skins game..........that is until we get ahead of them in the standings.:)
  8. TruBlueCowboy

    TruBlueCowboy New Member

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    Totally agree. As I've calmed down and thought about what the Boys could have differently, this is really the only thing that I can't shake. I can forgive Parcells conservative offense in the 4th, because I don't think a single person in that stadium thought the Skins were capable of two quick strikes, and it's always won games for Parcells before. They better fix something, because we've got guys like TO and Randy Moss coming up who make Santana Moss look like nothing.
  9. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    Parcells is the head coach. Parcells says he is the one that wants Newman in the slot. What is Zimmer supposed to do with that?
  10. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    Move Newman to the outside and then teams will move their top receivers to the slot.
  11. SultanOfSix

    SultanOfSix Star Power

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    NFL is a game about matchups. Thank you Merrill Hodge. ;) Aaron Glenn shouldn't have been covering Moss at all. Isn't he supposed to be their best receiver? We had our 3rd corner on their best receiver. That was a mismatch right there. That's why I thought something was fishy. It happened twice and shouldn't have happened at all.
  12. dbair1967

    dbair1967 Arch Defender

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    maybe the answer is to have your best CB cover their best WR....I know you dont want to do that all the time, but it key situations it should be...after Moss toasted Glenn the first time, he should have never been covering him again

    David
  13. JohnsKey19

    JohnsKey19 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah. It's obvious that the Skins manipulated their formations to ensure that their best and fastest WR would be lined up against our #3, oldest and slowest CB late in the game. That's good coaching from either Gibbs or their OC.
  14. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    I agree with that, but that is the fault of Parcells. He is the one that wants Newman locked on the slot receiver, not the #1 receiver.

    Santana Moss may be the Redskins #1 receiver, but he is not a top ten receiver. Glenn should be able to man up on him and he espcially should be doubled easily by Dallas. I don't mean that Moss isn't good, but Dallas will face some better receivers this year. Credit to him for making the plays when he was needed, but Glenn and Roy both played poorly. Glenn did not get any type of bump on him or even attempt to re-direct his route and Roy was slow in turning in running. Obviously Moss is faster than Roy, but Roy waited too long to even turn and run. It was a recognition problem more so than a just getting beat physically problem.
  15. aikemirv

    aikemirv Well-Known Member

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    I really think this is a bunch of crap. If Newman is lined up on the outside against SD on 4th and goal, does he tip the ball and break up the pass and get the int. I really doubt it. Newman is a very good corner, but gets beat on slants pretty reguraly.

    Glenn earned the trust to have him on the outside last week and he did not perform as well for two plays this week.

    Give this Zimmer crap a rest - like has been said - not his decision!

    Glenn was not exposed in the third Qtr, that was a play that broke down and the WR went deep rather than coming back to the QB as one normally would. That is why Glenn was beat on that play. It had nothing to do with the other.

    My point is, play it either way and I bet we are still 1-1. I think the SD game will give us more confidence down the road than a win versus the Skins would have.
  16. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    I blame Roy Williams more so than Glenn. Roy wasn't suppose to let anyone get behind him. Period. And he did. I think that is a much larger flaw than Glenn covering Moss.
  17. Hollywood Henderson

    Hollywood Henderson Benched

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    zimmy's "plain jane" passive looks late in the game is what lost the game for us (again)

    He rushed 4 & had slow & short datty & Shanle back 6 yards, so the offense also knew who to block, no question there...On the last TD they had a few people WIDE OPEN...

    We had been very effective rushing stunts & blitzes and hitting brunell for big losses...

    Yes, they coached a better game vs zimmy when they had to, no new news there as John Mellencamp sings....
  18. SmashFactorGolf

    SmashFactorGolf New Member

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    Football is a chess game, they saw a formation that got them the matchups they wanted and didnt go back to it until absolutly needed it.................

    If anything, I remember Tom Landry using Bill bates as a LB in that situation---Bates was a heck of a hitter ala Roy, but a little short on footspeed ala Roy.........moved him up to LB and brought in extra corner or two in deep coverage.........

    Keeps Roy near the line of scrimage where he s/be, he can then "peek" at the crossing routes all he wants, and get the big glory hit once in awhile
  19. stilltheguru

    stilltheguru New Member

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    i hate how teams play soft defenses at the end of games.
  20. joseephuss

    joseephuss Well-Known Member

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    That makes it more Roy's fault. If the linebackers are lined up 6 yards back and falling back into coverage, then why did Roy decide to only line up 11 to 12 yards back and then took too long to turn and run? With linebackers taking away the underneath routes and Glenn on the outside, his main responsilbility was to just get deep. He took too long to do it. Good call, bad execution.

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