Discussion in 'Off-topic Zone' started by HTownCowboysFan, Jul 23, 2006.
...Heath Ledger. It's a done deal and you heard it from me first. :starspin
Who is Heath ledger?
The Batman movies have been on a steep decline since Keaton, IMO.
This just furthers that freefall.
I liked the first 3 but Batman and Robin blew chunks. Batman Returns was good but not great. I'm not a Christian Bale fan.
Keaton sucked. The only reason people think highly of him as Batman is cuz he was the "First" and cuz the others sucked worse then him. Christian Bale (or whatever his name is) did a lot better job then Keaton.
Brokeback Ledger as Joker is pathetic. You usually want to get a GOOD actor to play the villain.
Actually saw this the other day on moviehole.net at that time it was a "strong" rumor from good sources and where expecting confirmation. I like Heath (A Knights Tale) but not for this role. Robin Williams was rumored for a while and he was talking up the part. I think he would have been a great Joker but maybe they have him in mind for the Riddler.
Also did you know John Cusack (SP) is in talks to play the DA in this film and Two Face in the next one? I think John will do great in this role.
this the one from "knights tale"? if so, no way.
besides, no one will top jack nicholson as the joker.
batman returns was far and away the best batman so far in our time. it wasn't campy, it wasn't "comic book" oriented - it was a good story done well w/drama vs. BIF BAM BOOM of the past.
All the Batman movies sucked except for Begins...they finally got it right.
I heard about the Ledger thing a few days ago from IGN, but saw it confirmed on BOF.
I don't know what to think about it...wait and see.
Jack's JOKER was entertaining and campy, but not what it probably should have been. I expect BEGINS2 to have a very dark and sinister Joker.
Agreed. Keaton was just less bad than the rest.
No one will ever be better than Jack as the joker.
I'm sorry fellas, but Batman Begins was the only Batman movie that I could watch. I walked out of the first one, and didn't give the other 2 the time of day.
As for Heath Ledger playing Joker. I am of the opinion that he is one of the greatest actors of our generation. He's absolutely GREAT in everything he does. The man is from Australia, and Wyoming the accent that he pulled off in Brokeback was spectacular.
my 2 cents
As a lifelong Batman fan, BATMAN BEGINS is the only one so far to get it right. BATMAN '89 got some of it correct (Keaton was indeed miscast). BATMAN RETURNS was nothing more than a "Tim Burton Film" that just happened to have Batman characters in it. And the two Schumacher films, well, enough said.
The casting of Ledger made me say ***! at first, but the more I've thought about it, the more brilliant of a move by Chris Nolan. Going for a guy that no one would have even considered is smart. He can act and Nolan's track record for casting has been almost perfect.
You've got to be kidding me? He's a HORRIBLE actor.
Yes, I am BOF and it's been confirmed to me. :starspin
A. Yes - Batman Begins is the first to get it right - it is the closest to being as dark as it should be.
B. Someone discussed Robin Williams - actually, Robin Williams was wanted for the Joker role for Tim Burton's movie, but he waited too long, so they took Nicholson. Nicholson ended up being perfect for that movie, Burton's treatment. But do NOT expect the same kind of Joker in this one - Nicholson was goofy funny, this one is going to be morbid funny. Nolan's Joker has the potential to be one of the top ten most evil characters EVER.
C. Robin Williams wanted the role of the Riddler in Forever, because he saw what he missed out in the original. However, Carey was available, hot as Hades at the time, and they chose him instead. Probably for the best.
D. Finally, regarding Ledger. Brilliant move. Nolan's casting and movies have been phenomenal until this point, I see no reason for this to change. Ledger will have everything needed to be dark and evil, and will pull it off well. His smile is, no doubt, one of the major reasons he got this role.
HTown- can you post that artist rendered photo that was floating around when they started talking sequel - the one of how they are wanting the Joker to look? It shows how utterly detestable he can be = hint hint - this isn't going to be makeup on a smiling clown face. Think 'deformed.'
I wouldn't describe Nicholson's Joker as "goofy funny". It was more "Unstable funny". His joker was more of a villain that was "not all there".
Couldn't disagree more. Ledger is a horrible actor.
I'd agree - by goofy, I meant all the unending laughter and stuff. He was very slapstick, which is what the film called for, and therefore it worked very well. Unstable is a good description.
I haven't seen Ledger in anything outside 10 Things I Hate About You, A Knight's Tale and The Patriot. None of these were very deep or difficult roles, so I can't comment on his ability to act. He was fine in these movies, so I can't say he is a poor actor.
This movie will without a doubt stretch him farther than anything - the makeup alone is going to be gruesome, and I have little doubt that Nolan will demand some 3-dimensional lunacy with the character.
Regardless of the actor - i am thrilled to see the treatment on this batman. The last one was a great setup, but now he can (and should) go even darker with an established protaganist and the introduction of batman's most notorious rival.
CR, I agree totally with what you said above. Robin Williams was not considered for the part this time around. He was doing press for RV and was asked about it and he said, "Oh I'd love to do it...." That's it.
Which manip are you talking about, there have been so damn many! LOL
Here's one that artist Lee Bermejo did exclusively for my site (it's part of an interview):
Lee Bermejo Interview
Check out BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN. You'll see why he was nominated for an Oscar.
Anyway, he's a manip of Ledger one of my readers sent me:
Thaaaaaaaaat's the one. I didn't realize it was exclusive to your site. I know it isn't the plan, but I hope they do something along those lines. Makeup and a smile won't cut it any longer - this needs to be an evil character. Nolan has yet to make a poor movie. Insomnia was the worst, but still it was a valient effort.
The Prestige looks fantastic.
That being said, Brian Singer had been successful in all his attempts, but I think he messed Superman up by trying to make it too realistic. That movie needed some camp. I was always a bigger Superman fan than Batman, but I am going to sway at the next batman, if only for the disappointment in seeing Singer's superman.
No offense to your readers - but puhlease. That looks like Eric Draven/The Crow.
They will need to age him some, and make him more sinister. I prefer the evil looking one - but I do know this. Regardless of what they do, Nolan has the ability to make you believe it. He has made the most believable batman film to date.