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The Make Believe Maverick

Discussion in 'Political Zone' started by Cochese, Oct 27, 2008.

  1. Cochese

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    [SIZE=+1]A[/SIZE]t Fort McNair, an army base located along the Potomac River in the nation's capital, a chance reunion takes place one day between two former POWs. It's the spring of 1974, and Navy commander John Sidney McCain III has returned home from the experience in Hanoi that, according to legend, transformed him from a callow and reckless youth into a serious man of patriotism and purpose. Walking along the grounds at Fort McNair, McCain runs into John Dramesi, an Air Force lieutenant colonel who was also imprisoned and tortured in Vietnam.


    McCain is studying at the National War College, a prestigious graduate program he had to pull strings with the Secretary of the Navy to get into. Dramesi is enrolled, on his own merit, at the Industrial College of the Armed Forces in the building next door.


    There's a distance between the two men that belies their shared experience in North Vietnam — call it an honor gap. Like many American POWs, McCain broke down under torture and offered a "confession" to his North Vietnamese captors. Dramesi, in contrast, attempted two daring escapes. For the second he was brutalized for a month with daily torture sessions that nearly killed him. His partner in the escape, Lt. Col. Ed Atterberry, didn't survive the mistreatment. But Dramesi never said a disloyal word, and for his heroism was awarded two Air Force Crosses, one of the service's highest distinctions. McCain would later hail him as "one of the toughest guys I've ever met."


    On the grounds between the two brick colleges, the chitchat between the scion of four-star admirals and the son of a prizefighter turns to their academic travels; both colleges sponsor a trip abroad for young officers to network with military and political leaders in a distant corner of the globe.
    "I'm going to the Middle East," Dramesi says. "Turkey, Kuwait, Lebanon, Iran."
    "
    Why are you going to the Middle East?" McCain asks, dismissively.
    "It's a place we're probably going to have some problems," Dramesi says.
    "Why? Where are you going to, John?"
    "Oh, I'm going to Rio."
    "What the hell are you going to Rio for?"
    McCain, a married father of three, shrugs.
    "I got a better chance of getting laid."


    Dramesi, who went on to serve as chief war planner for U.S. Air Forces in Europe and commander of a wing of the Strategic Air Command, was not surprised. "McCain says his life changed while he was in Vietnam, and he is now a different man," Dramesi says today. "But he's still the undisciplined, spoiled brat that he was when he went in."
    McCAIN FIRST
    [SIZE=+1]T[/SIZE]his is the story of the real John McCain, the one who has been hiding in plain sight. It is the story of a man who has consistently put his own advancement above all else, a man willing to say and do anything to achieve his ultimate ambition: to become commander in chief, ascending to the one position that would finally enable him to outrank his four-star father and grandfather.


    In its broad strokes, McCain's life story is oddly similar to that of the current occupant of the White House. John Sidney McCain III and George Walker Bush both represent the third generation of American dynasties. Both were born into positions of privilege against which they rebelled into mediocrity. Both developed an uncanny social intelligence that allowed them to skate by with a minimum of mental exertion. Both struggled with booze and loutish behavior. At each step, with the aid of their fathers' powerful friends, both failed upward. And both shed their skins as Episcopalian members of the Washington elite to build political careers as self-styled, ranch-inhabiting Westerners who pray to Jesus in their wives' evangelical churches.


    In one vital respect, however, the comparison is deeply unfair to the current president: George W. Bush was a much better pilot.

    http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain
  2. Phrozen Phil

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    I beleive that this article was posted recently on this board. It was an interesting read , but it's impact on the campaign at this point would be negligible.
  3. JRid21

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    It was posted a week or two ago
  4. Cochese

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    I figured I'd do it again after reading that Americas Stalin piece of trash.
  5. Phrozen Phil

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    Most of those bizarre articles come from a site called "Canada Free Press". It appears to be a site devoted to neoconservatism that has found favour with Angus, Cajun, J Bond and others. It's content is currently obsessed with branding Obama as a pinko-commy-menace.
  6. ABQCOWBOY

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    Unfortunatly, I see that "Lying, Coward, Self Centered Posser War Hero" seems to have also found it's way onto the board.

    That's unfortunate.
  7. iceberg

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    yea, that's it. when people lie about you, lie about them and it's all better.
  8. Phrozen Phil

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    Do you mean lie about them? I'm not sure I understand. Seriously.
  9. Sasquatch

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    Our resident xenophobes? The irony.
  10. iceberg

    iceberg detoxed...part 2 Zone Supporter

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    man i type too fast sometimes. corrected, but yes. lie.

    one side will cry foul and how bad it is, then do it. the other side will cry foul and how bad it is, then do it.

    we get mad about it, then we do it also.

    just seems like a viscious circle of stupidity we can't break out of.
  11. Maikeru-sama

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    Just like that "Lying, Socialist, Terrorist Muslim who isn't an American Citizen" has long found it's way onto the board.

    That's unfortunate.
  12. iceberg

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    so far i agree on the socalist part. at least a step in that direction.

    the rest is "fear factor machines" at work on both sides.
  13. Phrozen Phil

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    It looks like you're talking about the heart of negative campaigning. It is a loathsome practice that both sides have used, unfortunately, to some effect. It polarizes people because it focuses on what people may not want, rather than on what they truly believe will make their country better.

    Somebody asked me about memorable moments in this campaign. I was able to recall the moment when the rather stange woman told McCain that Obama was an Arab. McCains' response was one I admired, when he simply stated that Obama was a"decent family man with whom I have some fundamental differences with." While that may not be the exact quote, I felt some sympathy for McCain. I think that his campaign has been an unpleasant experience for him and I am appalled at the people who are looking to throw him under the bus if there's a defeat. Rick Davis was the architect of this campaign. Maybe somebdy needs to remind people of that.

    Both candidates have been vilified in various forums, including this one. I'm hoping for a better lever of civility after this business is done.
  14. ABQCOWBOY

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    Many things are unfortunate. This business of justifying behavior because this or that was posted amoung them.

    Using a man's service to his country as the back drop to paint him as self serving is, IMO, exceptionally so.

    But yeah, go ahead with this behavior. I suppose that now, I should find the nearest slander Obama thread and post something that says he's deserving of the slander, in a like manner.

    I think that I will choose not to do this. Instead, I will just leave it at unfortunate.
  15. Danny White

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    Shouldn't this thread be merged with the other thread on this article?

    I said some really insightful things in that other thread, and I'd hate to have to repeat myself. :p: ;)
  16. JRid21

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    JustsaynotoTO said he posted it again after reading that American Stalin article which he considers a piece of trash
  17. Sasquatch

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    To the extent that the article is taking issue with how McCain is branding himself I think it's legitimate. I did think some parts, like the suggestion that he is less of a man because he broke, were petty, mean-spirited, and superfluous.
  18. ABQCOWBOY

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    I don't object to any lagit question. For example, if the author had come out and said, "I think that John McCain is self serving and puts his ambitions first and here's why............" I'd be OK with that.

    From there, you can start to have a constructive discussion about the issue and, perhaps, come to a fair conclusion. However, the way in which this piece was done, well, it's very hard for me to lagitmise the subject matter simply because of the way in which the author makes his case.
  19. Phrozen Phil

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    Agreed. Attacking a man's character, even if it's strategic in nature is definitely petty and unneccesary.
  20. Danny White

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    He should have just bumped the original thread.

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