1. Welcome to CowboysZone!  Join us!  Come on!  You know you want to!

The Patriots and the strange story of Ernie Adams

Discussion in 'NFL Zone' started by honyock, Jul 4, 2013.

  1. Yakuza Rich

    Yakuza Rich Well-Known Member

    12,126 Messages
    1,153 Likes Received
    The Pats could have simply restructured their deals and kept Samuel. And again, offense wasn't a problem for the Patriots...the 'can't stop a nose bleed' defense was. Maybe they should have better prioritized their positions.

    And how many Lombardi trophies did not having Samuel bring the Patriots?

    How many Lombardi Trophies did Welker and Moss bring them?






    YR
  2. Rogah

    Rogah Well-Known Member

    3,729 Messages
    82 Likes Received
    I'll ask again, and challenge you to have the courage to answer it:

    Which two of those players I listed should the Patriots have let go in order to keep Asante Samuel? (NOTE: If you choose Tom Brady as one of the players, he alone will free up the necessary cap space so in that case you won't need to choose a second.)

    Which 2 players, brah?
  3. Yakuza Rich

    Yakuza Rich Well-Known Member

    12,126 Messages
    1,153 Likes Received
    They didn't have to cut those 2 players.

    That's was my answer in the first place.

    You're making stuff up.




    YR
  4. Rogah

    Rogah Well-Known Member

    3,729 Messages
    82 Likes Received
    Sure thing, bro. The whole concept of a salary cap? I've completely made that up. There is no salary cap in the NFL. I've totally made up the fact that if you give one guy almost $60 million, you're going to have to take it away from someone else.
  5. Chocolate Lab

    Chocolate Lab Run-loving Dino

    33,929 Messages
    2,890 Likes Received
    This is what I've always suspected, too. Pretty sure others have suggested it as well. He was up in the booth during games with communication to Belichick... I suspect he memorized what the signals meant and was the one reading them during games.
  6. Yakuza Rich

    Yakuza Rich Well-Known Member

    12,126 Messages
    1,153 Likes Received
    It's called restructuring contracts. Every single team does this to keep players on the team. You're making up that they *had to* cut 2 of those players you mentioned. They didn't have to. They could have restructured deals and kept players. They could have paid Welker (and reneged on their promise and that's why he got fed up and left). They re-did Brady's contract and that freed up room for them to re-sign Welker. But they didn't because they were gunshy about re-signing Welker at his age. Welker was furious that they lied to him (they lied to Logan Mankins as well) and he went to Denver.




    YR
  7. Yakuza Rich

    Yakuza Rich Well-Known Member

    12,126 Messages
    1,153 Likes Received
    From what I've read and heard (a family friend of ours works in the front office for another organization), I get the idea that they had Adams look at tape of opposing team's signals before the game and try to get a general idea of what their signals were. Then during the game they would film them and send it up to Adams and get a good idea of what the signals are and relay this to Brady and Weiss.

    If a team was smart enough to change their signals before the Pats game, they could throw off Adams for a bit, although that rarely happens because you have roughly 20 players on the defensive side of the ball active on game day and there's a fear that all of them may not be on the same page if you continually alter the signals.






    YR
  8. khiladi

    khiladi Well-Known Member

    11,928 Messages
    1,981 Likes Received
    So only way to really find out is kidnap Adams for the season... Whose down?
  9. Afigueroa22

    Afigueroa22 Well-Known Member

    1,014 Messages
    122 Likes Received
    I.
  10. Rogah

    Rogah Well-Known Member

    3,729 Messages
    82 Likes Received
    You can't restructure into infinity and you can't give $56 million to one player without taking it away from someone else somewhere along the line. There is NO AMOUNT of restructuring that can make the $56 million not have any impact.

    The fact that you think they can give a guy over $50 million and not have it affect the rest of the team at all really proves you just have no clue whatsoever what you are talking about.
    Well now you're just trying to change the subject, which is wise considering how badly you're getting hammered on the Asante Samuel discussion.
  11. jobberone

    jobberone Genetically engineered moderating Orangutan Staff Member

    37,718 Messages
    3,931 Likes Received
    Interesting.
  12. InmanRoshi

    InmanRoshi Zone Scribe

    18,334 Messages
    79 Likes Received
    The NFL Competition Committee outlaws computers and other computational devices on the sidelines or in the coaches booth during games, because they don't want a team to have a competitive advantage of having better "nerds" than the other team. (It's funny, they seem to have no similar concerns about disparity in coaching, medical or training staff). It's completely understandable why you would want a "human computer" booth to feed you probabilities en lieu of an actual computer. If I'm a newly hired head coach, one of the first thing I'm doing is going to my local university and finding a PhD student in mathematics who loves sports, pay him some paltry salary (compared to even vet minimum for even end of roster players) and have him spend the entire offseason calculating down and distance, time clock management probability and rules of thumb. When to take time outs, when to go for it, when to spike the ball (which is way overused in football), etc. should be broken down into situational probabilities and memorized, not unlike the way poker players memorize probabilities. Time and clock management potentially swings 1-2 games a year in either direction.
  13. jobberone

    jobberone Genetically engineered moderating Orangutan Staff Member

    37,718 Messages
    3,931 Likes Received
    I believe that data and even some software is out there. It doesn't hurt to have guys who know that stuff in and out to be handy. I'm not certain but I think we have quality control people who do some of that stuff if not a great deal. Garrett has in his head and on that chart he carries game day some situational stats and plays for that opponent.
  14. honyock

    honyock Well-Known Member

    1,366 Messages
    454 Likes Received
    Yeah, and it would be even more valuable if that "human computer" had been obsessed with football from an early age and was compulsive and effective at watching and breaking down game film and understanding schemes and tendencies (and maybe opposing teams signals too for that matter, although that part is still unproven legend). That'd be a pretty valuable resource to have in your ear on game day.

Share This Page