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The Walking Dead: The Return, Tonight!

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  1. Smith22

    Smith22 Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. A lot of the finale didn't make sense.

    The towers of the prison were basically torched by the grenade launcher attack, yet they bring all these people back from town to the prison. HELLO. The food and supplies are in town. Take over the town.

    And Andrea can't take out walker Milton after freeing herself? Really. She survived a lot worse scenarios. I really didn't care for her character, but going out the way she did was kind of weak.

    And how can the Governor and company manage to ambush and take out 10-15 soliders (early season 3??) yet manage 100% failure versus a group of 10 people that includes women, a child and an old man.

    I was disappointed. Hopefully season 4 gets back on track.
  2. Phoenix

    Phoenix Well-Known Member

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  3. Yeagermeister

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    Carl is saying get me out of the picture with these dorks :laugh2:
  4. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    Woodbury has many walls that need constant guard attention. The prison group, even with what was left of the Woodbury contingent (eldery, children women) doesn't have the manpower to properly guard Woodbury. The prison was the better choice.

    Plus Woodbury is more "zombie-proof" than it is people-proof. If the group had qualms about the Governor returning and trying to infiltrate, then the prison again is the better choice.

    The Governor had the advantage of surprise against the National Guard unit and they were out in the open. The prison group knew they were coming and they weren't out in the open with no inkling that they were being hunted... Plus they had time to establish a defense. Night and day from one incident to the other.

    While I didn't think it was a great episode the reasons you brought up, while good conversation starters, weren't in my opinion what made the episode weaker than some of the other episodes this season.
  5. speedkilz88

    speedkilz88 Well-Known Member

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    So is Rick's group going to take those weapons the Gov obviously left behind?
  6. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    One would have to think so, but I'm not sure how you would prove it one way or the other.
  7. Smith22

    Smith22 Well-Known Member

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    element of surprise versus the national guard? they are trained for combat, have zombies hot on their trail, yet they allow rag tag people to set up in the bushes and attack them.


  8. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    After many months of dealing with the slow-moving dead and (probably not) having the living shoot at them, I could easily see how complaceny set in.

    Heck I just came back from Hawaii... There's a spot there that shows how complacency and unpreparedness can come back and bite you. ;)
  9. BraveHeartFan

    BraveHeartFan We got a hat. I want a ring.

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  10. BraveHeartFan

    BraveHeartFan We got a hat. I want a ring.

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    Yes they are. From people they deem threats. They didn't deem this person as a threat and were obviously not expecting him to have people with him to gun them down.

    Plus this isn't exactly a military group that would be fully in the right frame of mind or ready for anything like this given the BS they'd been going through for a very long period of time at that point.
  11. Derekmtl85

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    There was a scene they took out after the producer got kicked off the show...They replaced it with the Milton dying slowly scenes...






    The Walking Dead showrunner, Glen Mazzara, recently departed, and now we learn that a key scene was changed.
    Spoilers for the Season 3 Finale of The Walking Dead.

    Two changes were made in the Season 3 finale regarding Milton and Andrea's death -- after Mazzara had departed.
    Initially, it didn't open up with the Governor punching Milton in the face, but instead just showed The Governor shooting Milton and saying he would kill Andrea.

    From there, things get interesting as the original ending didn't seem to go into all that talk between Milton and Andrea - that didn't make sense as she didn't try to free herself - but instead...here read for yourself.


    Dallas Roberts, who played Miltron, filled EW in:


    Originally, the beating scene that started the episode wasn’t there. Originally, I showed up and was led into the room where Andrea was and I took the tools out – the instruments of torture that were laid on the table — and then he shot me in the stomach, completely unexpectedly. And then I was left to bleed out in the same idea basically — you’re going to kill her now. There was a lot more of Milton trying to open the door and him trying to free her from the chains. And then there was a section where he was going to wrap the chain around the neck and try to choke her to death before he turned so she wouldn’t have to deal with Walker Milton, or Biter Milton, as it were.
    And then at the end of that, it was just Tyreese and someone else who found her. Rick and Daryl and Michonne weren’t there. So it was essentially the same idea, except you saw me taking chunks out of Laurie Holden in that version. And then they called us back a few months later to reshoot it and made all those changes. So now you’re not sure if I’ve gotten her until after that door opens, and I think that’s probably why they did it.


    And on the scene that showed him biting Andrea:

    Yeah. It’s funny, in the articles and on Talking Dead last night, you’ll notice stills of Milton where he has glasses on. They are from the scenes that we shot and weren’t aired. Because Milton gets his glasses knocked offand never has glasses in the interrogation scene in this finale. But I’ve seen a lot of pictures where Milton has blood on his mouth and glasses on that were from that first shooting.


    And on the part where he tried to strangle her:


    They both desperately wanted for that to work but at that point he had bled out so much. So he pulls and pulls and pulls but he doesn’t get it done and he falls against the wall and is passed out. And he never comes back from that until he turns into a walker.


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    That would have been much better, and it's not good news...the new producer doesn't sound that good.

    Mazzara was great, Darebond was great....both gone.
  12. Smith22

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    Completely agree. On a side note, I'm hoping they dedicate an episode or a good portion of an episode about Michone and the 2 walkers she had with her. I'm interested in her story.

    I'm also curious where the Gov went. Maybe he finds the group that was with the hostage that Shane killed.
  13. MichaelWinicki

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    That's a pretty good point. The same thing crossed my mind. And maybe that's the group that ends up chasing the prison group off the prison.

    We'll probably get an episode of the Governor going back to the Woodbury and not finding anyone there.
  14. Stryker44

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    What is the deal with Rodriguez? Is he as mentally disturbed and sadistic as the Governor? Surprised he and the black guy agreed to get in the truck with him.
  15. MegaMagick

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    Rodriguez? I thought it was Martinez?

    Anyway they seemed like pretty shady characters themselves and loyal to pretty much only the governor for whatever reason.
  16. Eric_Boyer

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    a person handcuffed to a chair isn't going to be able to use pliers to free themselves.

    that they showed her get one hand free was the only ridiculous part of that scene.
  17. Smith22

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    good point. the hacksaw didn't work for Meryl.


  18. speedkilz88

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    Making it look difficult to bring pliers up to your hand with your foot was ridiculous to me. I'm not that coordinated and I could do that in my sleep. And if I just saw the Gov wipe out all your "friends" I would have taken him out - from behind.
  19. BraveHeartFan

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    Ive thought that was a good possibility. That he'd get them to get him some new men to use.
  20. punchnjudy

    punchnjudy Well-Known Member

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    Good point. Maybe they'll be the ones who kill off all the old people Rick brought back from Woodsbury. Somebody's going to.

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