This is what happens when you don't build your team from the trenches out

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by AmberBeer, Aug 28, 2013.

  1. Ntegrase96

    Ntegrase96 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah. For years they've done a pitiful job finding offensive lineman and now they're trying to compensate for it. They aren't neglecting it now and I think they're on the right track. We just have to be patient.

    BTW, since 2002, Dallas has 3 more offensive line picks than NE (17 vs 14). And if I counted correctly, we haven't had many more picks than them and overall we draft lineman at a higher percentage then NE as well.

    New England has only spent 3 picks on OL in the 3rd round or better.

    Dallas has spent 7 on OL 3rd round or better.

    I'll admit we could have done a better job and drafted more than that, but the biggest reason our OL sucks is that we didn't hit on the lineman we've drafted in the past-- not because of our commitment.

    Edit: Also, if the trend doesn't continue, I'll probably be back on to bashing the organization for lack of effort. But right now it seems like they're making the right moves. We're just trying to dig ourselves out of a hole and it's going to be a tough go.
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  2. tantrix1969

    tantrix1969 Well-Known Member

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    could be they are just better at scouting and developing oline/dline players
  3. Zordon

    Zordon Well-Known Member

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    Wow first @BrAinPaiNt now you?

    Everybody is finding their inner "realist" today.

    I'll never forget this day. [​IMG]
  4. AmberBeer

    AmberBeer Well-Known Member

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    I've been questioning how the Cowboys address the offensive and defensive lines for at least 3 years now.
  5. Ken

    Ken Well-Known Member

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    Greenbay can't run the ball and Rogers got sacked waaaay more than romo did last year. Pittsburge can't pass protect and haven't exactly lit the world on fire in the run game. I'll give you New England as a good OL but as someone pointed out, they haven't invested what you think they have invested in it.
  6. AmberBeer

    AmberBeer Well-Known Member

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    Cowboys have neglected the lines for several years now. Especially the offensive line. Everyone knows it.
  7. superpunk

    superpunk Benched

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    This is what happens when you have several injuries. i.e. the Bills invested heavily at QB this offseason, and still find themselves shorthanded.

    This is what happens when you start terrible threads.

    Meth. Not even once.
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  8. TwoDeep3

    TwoDeep3 Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    But name me five teams - which is 16 percent of the league - that has built a defense from the cornerback position instead of the defensive line position.
  9. TwoDeep3

    TwoDeep3 Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Maybe what needs to happen is all the people who do not wish to discuss this, leave the thread. I think that's what I'm told when a subject comes up and I see it as a Jerry thing.
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  10. superpunk

    superpunk Benched

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    I'll take completely unquantifiable arbitrary distinctions for a kabillion, Alex.
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  11. AmberBeer

    AmberBeer Well-Known Member

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    Nice contribution. Quit complaining and go away then if it's a terrible thread.
  12. 5Stars

    5Stars Here comes the Sun...

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    (stupid cowboy fans)
  13. Hoov

    Hoov Senior Member

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    They did use their 2011 and 2013 1st round picks on an O Lineman.

    I guess They could have used that 2010 1st round pick on a lineman too instead of wasting it on a WR
  14. onlyonenow

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    you might want to also look at where the Pats picked most of their linemen. Usually a round higher then we did. We did not value O linemen like other teams did and use 1st and 2nd rd picks - until 2011 Jerry Jones NEVER used a first round pick on a O lineman. That statement alone says neglect or at the least undervalue.

    But the primary reason is clear- we have been LOUSY at evaluating and developing O linemen. Maybe the worm has finally turned but you know we still might only have 3starters on our line that we drafted. Leary was a UDFA. Meanwhile our 4th rd pick Arkin looks like a career backup at best. Our two CERTAIN starters are both 1st rd picks. Free was 4th round but his career is not exactly one to boast about is it?

    All this begs the question: how do the boys evaluate O line prospects that are not 1st or 2nd rd picks?
  15. texbumthelife

    texbumthelife Well-Known Member

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    If you have two starters go down you going to be thin at any position. It doesn't matter how well you draft, how lucky you get or if there is a salary cap. No team has the depth to fight off that sort of injury hit.
  16. superpunk

    superpunk Benched

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    Or you could just stop starting such mind-numbingly inane threads?

    We've lost two DTs. Teams typically carry 4-5 if they are a 4-3 club. Here's the part where you failed to think, and simply disconnected your fingers from your brain and started typing. That kind of hit would hurt any team in the league, regardless of whether or not they have "invested heavily in the defensive line", or built from the "inside out", or whatever devoid-of-actual-thought nonsense you want to trot out. Guess what? If Claiborne and Carr/Scandrick go down, we will suddenly be hurting at CB. Is this because we didn't "invest heavily at DB" or didn't build from the "outside in"? No, it's because if you start taking injury hits to a team with limited roster spots - guess what big boy - you're gonna have issues.
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  17. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    You keep on getting presented with examples of draft picks and FA and you keep repeating the meme. The Cowboys have never stopped drafting acquiring OL they just misevaluated badly in the Parcells and Phillips era.
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  18. 5Stars

    5Stars Here comes the Sun...

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    But, two years in this era, they got some good young strong dudes. New ideas working...
  19. jobberone

    jobberone Kane Ala Staff Member

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    Hey!!! I actually got this one. I learned what a twerk was two days ago.

    I am so on top of things. :rolleyes:

    Now I understand why older people don't understand young people. When they said that they didn't mean they just didn't understand what's in their heads. They mostly meant they didn't understand a damn thing they were saying! :cool:
  20. big dog cowboy

    big dog cowboy THE BIG DOG Staff Member

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    For a second I thought this was going to be another one of those "The Sky Is Falling" threads.


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