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This is what happens when you don't build your team from the trenches out

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by AmberBeer, Aug 28, 2013.

  1. AmberBeer

    AmberBeer Well-Known Member

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    Except for OL, I'm happy with the rest of the depth on the team.
  2. Derinyar

    Derinyar Well-Known Member

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    Prior to camp I'd argue that the depth at OL was actually pretty good. The idea was that Parnell, Bernadeu, and Livings were all likely to be ready for the start of camp. Leary took a starting job and ran with it. So now you're looking at Livings as a backup. He's a little over paid for that, but I'd bet he's pretty average to maybe even above average as a back up in this league. Parnell was someone the team had enough hope in last year to give him 1st team game snaps during the end of the season run. Now we've not gotten Livings back health and have lost Leary. So we're down two guards. Go across this league and see what the quality of the fourth guard is. I'll bet its either unready rookie or career no body. Parnell still looks like he's playing on one leg, and the other guy that we were hoping might be something (Bell) has yet to really get his rotund behind into shape. But once again we're talking about the 4th player at OT.

    If you want to argue that we should have upgraded over Livings and Bernadeu as a starting guard this year, that's an argument I can buy. If you're wanting the 4th player on the depth chart to be a capable starting level talent then we have zero chance of agreeing, because that just isn't the nature of this NFL.
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  3. AmberBeer

    AmberBeer Well-Known Member

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    I guess I just feel that Jerry/whomever could've done a bit better job of acquiring offensive line depth.
  4. 5Stars

    5Stars Here comes the Sun...

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    Well, back when in the 90's when there was no salary cap they could go out and get the best of the best, but you cannot do that in today's NFL. You have to spread your resources throughout the whole team to have a GOOD TEAM, not just a good oline or good dline.

    Believe me...if the NFL said that this the last year the salary cap will be in place and never again will there be one...Jerry would get the best of the best, but he cannot now, he can only allocate his money on so many positions of the team.
  5. AmberBeer

    AmberBeer Well-Known Member

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    See, that's where my point lies. I think we spread a little more of those resources on both the offensive and defensive lines and not spread it out evenly like you susggest.
  6. 5Stars

    5Stars Here comes the Sun...

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    Then you, like Risen Star want a Rugby team, not a football team.

    Question? Do you think Dez is a good player? How about Witten, How about Mo Claiborne?

    What if they were never drafted and they just drafted oline men and dline men? You would have nothing at the skill positions, just a bunch of strong fat guys that can keep the QB safe, but nobody to throw to, and you would have a bunch of strong guys trying to rush a opposing QB that throws a slant that the other team takes to the house.

    Is that a good way to build a team for the long run?
  7. Derinyar

    Derinyar Well-Known Member

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    Depth in this NFL is an illusion created by the ability of the starters to stay healthy. So what position do you want to remove the resources from, and how many resources do you want to put toward the OLine backups. Many call Escobar a luxury pick, and to some extent he is, but we are running 12 this year and that pretty much means that we need 3 good TE. You could argue that we should have taken someone other then Williams with the first third round pick, and I could agree, other then we had Williams as a higher rated talent then that and honestly could use a 3rd WR. Basically you have to choose where you go light on the depth. The 4th OG and the 4th OT are probably two good places to usually do it, of course it becomes an issue when you have 2 OG injuries in training camp.
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  8. AmberBeer

    AmberBeer Well-Known Member

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    You can have your cake and eat it too if you are savy with personnel.
  9. 5Stars

    5Stars Here comes the Sun...

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    I guess that depends on what kind of cake you want. I want a well frosted cake, not some old stale cake that only taste good on the outside, but on the inside it tastes like crap.
  10. iceman117

    iceman117 Active Member

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    which cast offs will be starting on opening day? i kind of like the oline right now with Leary and Free at G, big upgrades there and at center.
  11. GimmeTheBall!

    GimmeTheBall! Junior College Transfer

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    It's a given they can win even with a bad line. The question is can they win more than 8 or 9?

    But the O is not the problem, at least in my thinking. I half real problems with our D, new players as safeties and our largely journeyman D when you get past Ware and Lee. Spenser says he's optimistic he'll be ready for the opening game. So I guess the way it works is that he is ailing and then shows up for the first game in a new system and new coach and ever thing will be fine.
    Wait . . . .
  12. 5Stars

    5Stars Here comes the Sun...

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    Wait what? Are you drinking again?
    :cool:

    Wait! Did you smoke one of them Cuban Cigars I sent you!
  13. OhSnap

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    I think they're finding a balance between giving Romo protection and tools to work with in the amount of time he has left. If it weren't for that you might would have seen a team rebuilding from the trenches after Wade left.
  14. AmberBeer

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    Well, the Cowboy depth at both the offensive and defensive lines were dominiated by the Texans tonight. A really bad performance by the Cowboys trenches.
  15. nake

    nake Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Like someone said in the game thread, we need to be scanning the final cuts for linemen, starting with those Houston lets go.
  16. CowboysYanksLakers

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    I happen to agree with the original post... Darren Woodson said the same thing before the luncheon.
  17. AmberBeer

    AmberBeer Well-Known Member

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    This game was a classic example of what happens when you're offensive and defensive lines get dominated. You may say it's only a preseason game, but some of those players are going to be playing a lot of plays this year. Very disappointing although not in anyway unexpected. At least by some of us.
  18. CowboyFan74

    CowboyFan74 Cowboys Analyst

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    You are absolutely correct however a guard or a defensive tackle from the 2nd round would have been just what the doctor ordered and we'd be sitting pretty instead we have another stupid tight end that may or may not contribute this year....
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  19. rocyaice

    rocyaice Well-Known Member

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    Fair enough but I was replying to "This is why you build from the trenches....." and that simply isn't the case. No team goes into the season and says let's grab offensive linemen and then worry about the skilled positions later. Some teams hit on linemen and some don't. The teams that have hit on linemen didn't just aim for them and focus strictly on linemen. They did a great job of developing them and scouting them.
  20. iceberg

    iceberg detoxed Zone Supporter

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    no it doesn't.

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