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This is what winning allows you to do. Revis deal.

Discussion in 'NFL Zone' started by OhSnap, Mar 19, 2014.

  1. OhSnap

    OhSnap Well-Known Member

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    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...his-year-20-million-or-free-agency-next-year/

    As it turns out, Darrelle Revis’s contract with the Patriots isn’t actually a one-year, $12 million deal. It’s actually a two-year, $32 million deal. But the second year will probably be voided.

    Revis gets a $10 million signing bonus, a $1.5 million base salary and $33,333.33 for the first 15 games he’s active for in 2014. So assuming he plays at least 15 games, Revis gets $12 million.

    Then the Patriots have the option to pick up the second year of Revis’s contract and pay him a $12 million roster bonus on April 1, 2015, plus a $7.5 million base salary and the same $33,333.33 for the first 15 games he’s active for in 2015. That would total $20 million for the 2015 season.

    Realistically, it’s almost impossible to believe the Patriots would pick up that option. Even for a player as great as Revis, that $20 million is too much. After all, the Bucs couldn’t find any team even willing to give up a seventh-round draft pick to acquire Revis under his old contract, and that’s because no team wanted to pay Revis the $16 million a year that his old contract paid him.

    So Revis will almost certainly hit free agency again next year, and because there’s a second year on the deal the Patriots can’t use the franchise tag on Revis. They have to either pay him the $20 million next year or cut him.

    One thing that helps the Patriots, as Albert Breer of NFL Network pointed out, is that the two-year structure of the contract allows the Patriots to prorate the $10 million signing bonus over the two years of the deal. In other words, Revis counts just $7 million against the Patriots’ salary cap this year. In 2014, he’s a great deal.

    The bill comes due in 2015, however, when the other $5 million of Revis’s 2014 pay would count toward the Patriots’ salary cap — even if they’ve already released him and he’s playing for someone else next year. (And that means if they did keep him under his current deal, Revis would count a whopping $25 million against the Patriots’ 2015 cap.)

    But the Patriots will worry about next year next year. This was a deal to get a great cornerback on the Patriots this year. That’s what the Patriots have in Revis, even if it’s only a one-year rental.
  2. OhSnap

    OhSnap Well-Known Member

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    There's allot of criticism that Jerry gives out these terrible contracts but what I see all the time is deals like this where teams over pay and push money forward. The only difference is the winning makes fans over look the bad deals and even praise the team for being creative. If Jerry made a deal like this it would knock that missing plane story out of the news.
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  3. ninja

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    It is a one year $12M contract for Revis. The Broncos paid Ware $13M for 2014 (salary and signing bonus). Ware's cap hit is less since the bonus is spread out. Revis will either renegotiate or move on in 2015.
  4. BAZ

    BAZ Drunken Mick

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    The Pats are afraid of the Broncos so they got Revis, the Broncos are trying to be more like the Seahawks so they got Ware. Both are players past their prime getting over paid. By season end their fans will be rueing these deals. Just like the Cowboys would if they got Allen. List the high value FA's that have ever paid off, Carr being one.
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  5. visionary

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    that is not the 'only' difference, that is "THE" difference and should be the difference

    the objective of playing football is to win, not to have a big or glitzy stadium

    the patriots not only win, they are creative in how they use their players, we are the opposite
    if we signed revis, we would ask him to play zone

    some teams do it the right way, others dont

    if jerry made this deal he would be an idiot and should be called an idiot, i dont see what would be wrong with that
  6. OhSnap

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    I think Reggie white is probably the best FA deal ever and may never be topped and I like some of the O-lineman deals that have been made, Leonard Davis was a good one for the Cowboys I thought. But FA as a whole was designed to help the player not the team and it's been very lopsided in favor of the player for ALL teams.
  7. OhSnap

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    They're pushing 5 mill of his salary to next year right off the bat thats why it's a 2 year deal just so they can push that money back. Its the same as Romo's deal, his deal is a 3 year deal with the ability to push money back 3 more years. When your not winning enough games you get called an idiot and when your winning you get called creative for the same exact practices.
  8. OhSnap

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    Your making my point for me. Your calling him an idiot for doing the same things the patriots and other teams do when the only difference in the outcome is the win's. By that logic the cowboys should operate on a tight budget and stay in a crappy stadium till they've won enough games that the fan doesn't care what they do.
  9. OhSnap

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    This probably sounds like a petty way to defend the Cowboy's business but you can say the same thing about the Dolphins if you want. They've put out some money that didn't translate to wins but that doesn't make them idiots just means it didn't work for em.
  10. visionary

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    way to miss the obvious

    no, the cowboys should do everything to win ie get a real GM, hire a real HC, develop a plan, have a vision.... you know, basic things all winning teams do?

    instead of thinking that 'being relevent' and playing in a palace is enough

    this is why jerry gets criticized, becasue everyone knows that those are his priorities, not winning

    when you have a history of doing stupid things, whatever you do will be viewed through that lens

    when you have a history of doing intelligent things, whatever you do will be viewed through that lens
  11. ninja

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    You are exactly right. You don't really think the JJ-haters are going to buy it, do you? It is a copy cat league and most teams do roughly the same stuff.

    The only thing Jerry does a little more than other teams is to pay out bonus money. Jerry has the highest cash flow and can afford to pay signing bonuses more than other teams. I think Jerry even commented on that a couple of years ago. He regretted one year paying so much signing bonus money and getting little return.
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  12. FootballFan1

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    As a Pats fan, we really did not have an alternative to signing Revis and Browner. With Talib gone, our corner situation was a mess. And Talib missed the last playoff games in the last two years, plus other problems. He had a bruise and went out of the AFC champsionship game. Maybe so he could make the big bucks in FA. Whatever.

    Time will tell if this was all a good choice. Roll the dice. I think overall it helps the team. That said, our WR situation is still a mess. Poor Brady, what a WR core. Would sure like even Moss to be playing. Got to be better than what we have as receivers.

    So here we go, next season and see how it all works out.

    I know Seattle is the front runner, but to repeat a SB is one tough act. Really tough.
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  13. visionary

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    i think i have said this to you before but your homerism prevents you from hearing it

    ALL money paid to players has to be accounted for under the cap

    ALL teams have the same cap

    jerry or any other owner cannot pay more "signing bonus" to players becasue they have "more cash flow", that is patently false

    it is a level playing field
  14. ninja

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    When you pay a player a signing bonus, you have to give him real money. You have to hand him a check and that is actual money. If I pay Romo a signing bonus of $30M, I have to give him a check for $30M that day. He goes to the bank and deposits it. If I pay Ware a signing bonus of $25M the next week, the same thing. That is some serious coin to pay out in March. You have to have the money physically available to dole it out. Some teams don't have $50M to throw around in March. Something like that.

    All teams have the same cap parameters. It is a level playing field. Not all teams have the same cash flow in March when FA begins. Jerry Jones made $300M last year. His stadium generates revenue the whole year. He has plenty of cash flow. He can dole out signing bonuses as he wishes and is only limited by fitting it in to the cap. I doubt a small market team like Clev or Cinci or Jax has the same access to cash.
  15. visionary

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    cap space is basically money and that is provided by the NFL
    all teams have the same

    owners dont pay signinig bonuses out of pocket and then get reimbursed by the league
    teams probably have an account that they can use for these transactions

    jerry being rich has NO benefit for the cowboys (other than stadium, etc)
    it is in fact a detriment because he has no incentive to change his idiotic behavior
  16. ninja

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    All teams have the same cap space. All teams do not have the same cash flow and profit. I doubt the league writes each team a check for $133M on March 8th to be used for salaries. I would guess Jerry has more money on hand than most of the other owners and can then, pay more signing bonuses if he chooses in March. Again, the cap limits his hand.

    How do you explain teams like Jax, Clev, Oak, etc spending $20-40M less than the cap? The only reasons for not doing so are to a) keep the money for themselves or b) they didn't have it to spend it. I'm guessing that the owner gets to keep the difference. For us fans, it is like Monopoly money, for the owner, it is real money.

    These owners are rich businessmen first. They didn't get there by making idiotic business decisions. Trophies are nice, but the almighty dollar still rules the roost.

    Jerry being rich and profitable does benefit us fans since he doesn't need to pinch pennies and will spend whatever he can to get a victory. Do you think Jerry would ever spend $20-30M less than the cap and field a team?

    Jerry's behavior is not idiotic. Look around the legue and compare the behavior of the other GMs. You may hate him and blame him for ruining your Sunday when they lose, but at least try to get rid of the blind hate and judge him fairly.
  17. visionary

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    perhaps one of the capologists can explain it better than I am

    it is pretty clear that jerry cannot "give a larger signing bonus" because of better cash flow

    also, one can be brillant in one area and an idiot in another, IMO jerry is definitely in the bottom 5 GMs if not the worst GM in the NFL
  18. OhSnap

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    Your opinion about the Cowboys is based on the ASSUMPTION that you know what Jerry Jones priorities are. If you think theres a single team owner in all of the sports world anywhere on this planet that makes winning a priority over making money your living in a DREAM WORLD. Everyone who has ever owned any kind of sports team wants to make money AND win. It just so happens tha JJ is better at one than the other. Criticism because he built too nice of a stadium is pretty weak since everyone in the NFL is trying to copy it now.
  19. OhSnap

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    No. But I can try to bang it into their heads. Saying something not bad about Jerry is often mistaken for sayin he's done a great job.
  20. OhSnap

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    It's only a bad deal if he doesn't finish the season in my opinion but it does look like they're fightin that proverbial window.

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