This just in! Overreaction prediction by Chief proves to be true!

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by Scotman, Aug 14, 2005.

  1. Scotman

    Scotman Well-Known Member

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    Did everyone read what Chief had to say before the game?

    There's lots to build on after last night's game. I'm not worried about Bledsoe. We already know what he is. Romo looked pretty good. I had to edit what I originally put here. I was about half asleep when Henson was in. Sounds like he did OK which offers some encouragement. We'll know more in a few more weeks.

    Secondary looks to be improved. There's still some concern with FS. But, I want to see a few more weeks.

    Looks like we had a bunch of rookies out there who need a little more experience.

    Looks like RT really is a major concern although Pettiti held his own fairly well considering he is a 6th round rookie. Would love to see him back up a capable RT. But, maybe he'll have a better play after a few more weeks.

    TT has some speed. But I'm not convinced he's ready for primtrime. Ask me after a few more weeks.

    I thought we played the 3-4 adequately considering we've completed shifted schemes from last year and all the guys were not even in the game.

    Cundiff looked a heck of a lot better, IMO. As far as I'm concerned, he looks to be OK. Ask me in a few more weeks.

    I don't have to wait to tell you what I think of Witten. Stud. For all of you who are down on our QB's, Witten only played a small portion of the game and was unstoppable.

    I guess with all the people jumping off cliffs and buildings over the first preseason game of the year, there's not really much sense in me spending my time writing all of this. But I knew when I saw this thread originally that Chief had hit the nail on the head. This is exactly what would happen.

    So, the most predictable outcome of the game that came to fruition was the over reaction of the fans.
  2. Alexander

    Alexander What's it going to be then, eh?

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    What is that? Bad?

    Henson actually did not do that bad. Romo was sharp. Overall, their play made up for the disgusting effort by Bledsoe.

    The secondary did fine, but they simply gave up too many completions. But it is tough to do when you have no pressure from the front seven.

    I agree completely. We are going to have a very young defense, so we all need to be patient.

    That play was unacceptable, any way you slice it. But it was not just Petitti. Our whole offensive line was pretty bad. The Cardinals abused all of them.

    His speed really showed though. I am with you, I want to see him run inside before proclaiming him good.

    So is the inevitable attitude that it is simply unacceptable to be disappointed.

    I can tell you this, I don't think Coach Parcells was all that pleased with some of the things he saw.
  3. Scotman

    Scotman Well-Known Member

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    Nope, I don't think it unreasonable to be dissapointed as long as you don't forget what it was we saw, the first preseason game of the year.

    You're probably right about Henson. Like I said, I was half-asleep. More disappointed in myself for not making it through the whole game than I am anything else.

    Rt is a concern for me and has been. I know Pettiti didnt hold down the fort like we'd all like to have seen. But, he's a rookie and I think he would make a greeat backup at RT this season. Ask me at the end of preseason.

    I sure didn't mean to come across that I wasn't dissapointed in some things. I don't think that was what Chief meant either. But, I could be entirely wrong. I hate to speak for someone else.

    It's just the overreaction. Being encouraged or disappointed is natural. Being "sure" that things can't get better or worse, or forming any solid conclusions about the permanent state of our team or even a player based on the first preseason game of the year is overreacting, IMO.

    I totally agree on the patience. I guess that's really a better way of stating what I thought Chief meant and what I was trying to get across as well.
  4. Alexander

    Alexander What's it going to be then, eh?

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    I agree completely about waiting to see with the inexperienced. Players like Petitti, Canty, Peterman, Davis and so forth should and probably will get better. I have no doubt there were some jitters. And you would be foolish to make a conclusion about the state of the team when it is clear that we did not gameplan or use an iota of strategy.

    But, you can make some solid conclusions about some of the veterans. There are certain things that simply are evident, regardless of the fact this was a preseason game.
  5. Scotman

    Scotman Well-Known Member

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    We're on the same page about the rookies and the newer players. Not that far apart on the vets. If we're talking about Bledsoe, I don't think he'll look exactly like he did last night all season. He'll get better. I don't think he'll improve beyond what his career has proven to be, though.

    My fear in this isn't what Bledsoe does, it's what Parcells will do. Last year it became evident that VT wasn't doing us any favors. He killed us. We should have shifted gears and we didn't. My fear is that if either of the QBs following him show to be better, BP won't put them in. But that fear isn't based on last night at all.
  6. Chief

    Chief "Friggin Joke Monkey"

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    That post Saturday morning was more to guard against unbridled, unwarranted optimism.

    I don't have a problem with pessimism. :)

    Seriously though, the only thing I saw that warrants some real concern is the offensive line.

    That was brutal. No two ways about it. I promise you Parcells was pissed with that group's performance, so I don't see what's wrong with us feeling the same way. They can't evaluate the other positions on offense (QB, WR, etc.) if those guys play like that.

    I thought the defense played pretty well for the first time in that scheme ... especially against the run and I think Parcells kept it very simple first time out. The sacks and pressure will come later when the players are more comfortable and Parcells turns them loose.

    Bledsoe looked about like I thought he would. He is what he is. The two young QBs looked OK considering the fire they were under.

    I posted that I would probably overreact and call for some players to be waived at halftime. Sure enough, it happened. Torrin Tucker was the only guy I wanted gone, though. After sleeping on it, I still think he needs to go. He's not going to make this team and he's taking snaps from whomever will play RT.

    scotman, good job of keeping things in perspective. I tried to be calm and level-headed, but Torrin and Co. got the best of me. :)
  7. Chuck 54

    Chuck 54 Well-Known Member

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    Preseason is not about winning or losing, but it IS about progress and jelling as a team and producing good results.

    I understand the point that this is only preseason, and I don't totally disagree with it. IT's way too early to panic, and this 1 game doesn't set our season for us, but you know what? There's nothing wrong with having a team with an OL that is only concerned at RT, the best RB's in years, supposedly good receivers and an improved QB crew, along with a defense that is supposed to have drafted world beaters and solidified the backfield come out and at least play well against the ARizona Cardinals. I'd sure rather my team played like them than the way we played.

    I'm tired of using the excuse "it's only preseason" when we suck...and from everything I've read, we did suck offensively last night, and we had some problems on defense too...still can't pressure the QB.

    I'm not espousing putting in starters in the 4th quarter just to win a preseason game...I'm not arguing that we should be blitzing in preseason...I'm not even saying I give a crap about going 4-0 versus 0-4 (though it really is sort of disingenuous to say it doesn't matter and we don't care), but ...............

    What the HELL is wrong with performing well in the first preseason game once in a while !!!! or how about just once so all the positive vibes we've built from the draft till now can just once show some real hope when we take the field. The way our first team offense performed is a real reason for alarm, imo.
  8. Alexander

    Alexander What's it going to be then, eh?

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    I know it is early and blah blah.

    But how wise is the decision to move Sparano to OL coach looking right now?

    Coach Parcells wanted Muir. I still think we made a mistake in not pursuing Hudson Houck.
  9. Juke99

    Juke99 ...Abbey someone

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    Well, the one thing that strikes me is that the team played poorly yet, except for a false start on a FG (I can't for the life of me remember the last time I saw that) we would have WON the game.

    And make no mistake, that was a brutal performance...
  10. LaTunaNostra

    LaTunaNostra He Made the Difference

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    Juke, I am reasonably "happy" with the second and third teams, overall.

    But a 'real' game between the first team units would have ended about 35-0.

    It was one of the poorest first team offensive performances I have ever seen in preseason.
  11. Chuck 54

    Chuck 54 Well-Known Member

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    exactly...nice to see the backups play well, but when the season starts, they play little, if at all, and when they do play, it's not against the other #2's but the #1's.

    It's not time to panic, but I'd bet BP is somewhat concerned at this point...I'll bet one of his lines to the team will definitely NOT be "it's 1 preseason game, guys, no need to be alarmed."
  12. LaTunaNostra

    LaTunaNostra He Made the Difference

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    Concerned Wayne?

    I don't know if you saw the game, but I have NEVER seen hm look so consistently ticked off on the sidelines, even in a "real" game.

    Bill said 'fixing' the oline was high priority.

    By last night's measure, he's fixed nothing. And it sure wasn't all on a rookie rt.
  13. Chuck 54

    Chuck 54 Well-Known Member

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    I hear you, and no, I only got to read game are absolutely right...If the RT is the only weak position, that can be covered up nicely, especially in the passing game. It definitely didn't sound like RT was the only issue on the OL last night.

    I know you like our WR's...but unless you have a truly stellar line, you'd better have above average WRs and QBs who will make plays and keep the pass rush at bay a little.....I don't see the type of players at our skill positions who are going to abuse a team for blitzing or setting their ears back on the cannot just happen when the line blocks everyone and stuffs the blitz. Sometimes the QB and WR's have to read it...the QB has to sometimes sidestep something and throw a strike instinctively to a WR who will make a big play...that's the only way to slow down the pass rush.
  14. dbair1967

    dbair1967 Arch Defender

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    I agree on Houck, also think there might have been others he could have looked at other than Sporano...

    all in all I think the whole coaching staff is poor to be honest...Parcells needs to focus on what he was good at, defense and motivating people...the more I see of him messing with the offense the more convinced I am that he sux at it...

    defensively, other than Todd Bowles I think its think we had Jim Bates and Clancy Pendergast on this staff once and let them both go to make Zimmer the DC makes me sick

  15. silverbear

    silverbear Semi-Official Loose Cannon

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    I rather expect there would have been some adjustments when the Cards started finding stuff that worked... ever since Parcells has come on the scene, the Boys have had this regrettable tendency to start out struggling, even in games they've won...
  16. burmafrd

    burmafrd Benched

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    There were no adjustments made on D last night- they played the same formations, etc all game long. No real blitz packages, things like that, to disturb the QB. I think BP left it that way so that he could get a real good read on our secondary.
    Offensively the line was truly offensive. THAT is a concern.

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