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Thoughts about the Defense

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by xwalker, Jul 11, 2014.

  1. Bluestang

    Bluestang Well-Known Member

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    Only in Dallas do we applaud people that do their jobs the "right way". I mean come on, really?

    How in the world can Jason not know his own defensive coverages?

    Some red flags:
    - Switched schemes from 34 to 4-3 because it would be "easier" to learn - does this not include coaches too?
    - Jerry has multiple times publicy addressed the fact that Jason needs to be a walk around HC, including spending more time with the defense...what happened to that 2 seasons ago?


    No wonder we Red has issues with adjustments after half time, he can't read a defense...haha. What a joke, stop making excuses for this bum.
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  2. Risen Star

    Risen Star Likes Collector Zone Supporter

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    I'm just going to throw this out there.

    Maybe the Owner shouldn't tell the head coach how to do his job. Maybe that's the actual problem in Dallas.
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  3. Bluestang

    Bluestang Well-Known Member

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    No doubt, but at any level of play any HC should know their own defense.
  4. jobberone

    jobberone Genetically engineered moderating Orangutan Staff Member

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    I don't think the Marinelli team that went 0-16 has anything to do with our team first. And no I wouldn't laugh at Marinelli if he were in DC. I leave that crap for others.
  5. jobberone

    jobberone Genetically engineered moderating Orangutan Staff Member

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    Maybe he does and you merely think what you do because.......
  6. jobberone

    jobberone Genetically engineered moderating Orangutan Staff Member

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    Not every nuance unless that's his thing which it ain't for Garrett. That's why there are experts on both sides of the ball.
  7. Bluestang

    Bluestang Well-Known Member

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    Odd for someone that is a stickler for details.

    ...but that's none of my business.
  8. McLovin

    McLovin Well-Known Member

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    I was trying to convey that if this year is not a success....I think some hailing marinelli now will be ready to remember 0-16. He is an easier scapegoat than houck Ryan,Callahan, or kiffen
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  9. StarBoyz83

    StarBoyz83 Well-Known Member

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    What doesnt give me hope about the eagles is they kicked the bears butt and gave the saints a game in the playoffs. Granted brees played like crap but still. Those 2 teams embarassed dallas.
  10. jobberone

    jobberone Genetically engineered moderating Orangutan Staff Member

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    I don't have a problem with that. I think a lot of people will be nominated for scapegoat. I don't think anyone is safe.
  11. jobberone

    jobberone Genetically engineered moderating Orangutan Staff Member

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    I don't think many have ever known both sides of the ball that well. Landry is the exception. Maybe we're thinking different degrees of knowledge.
    Last edited: Jul 16, 2014
  12. DCBoysfan

    DCBoysfan Hardwork and Dedication Zone Supporter

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    Good post, I expect the defense to be better than most folks expect.
  13. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    There's no reason to believe that Garrett's any worse defensively than other coaches are at their off sides of the ball. It's not about being a stickler for details.
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  14. Risen Star

    Risen Star Likes Collector Zone Supporter

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    Say again? Maybe he does what?

    Or did you mean maybe he doesn't? In that case, Jerry has openly talked about his hands on management with his head coach. He's a lunatic. He has to micromanage everything.

    Whether Jerry meddles with every aspect of this team isn't up for debate on any Cowboys forum that wants to be taken seriously.
  15. jobberone

    jobberone Genetically engineered moderating Orangutan Staff Member

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    Anyone who makes a statement like this that if you oppose their view you aren't quite right is dealing in oppositional thinking, splitting, 'all or nothing' thinking and dichotomous thinking.

    Whether or not Jerry is a micromanager doesn't really have anything to do with Garrett's knowledge of the defense or the defense outside the talent on the team Jerry is responsible for. So not buying into the strawman argument. I'm not interested in how much Jerry gets into areas he should be less involved with nor how much or how often he does it. I don't really know nor do you. I think he meddles too much but I only think that when some one brings it up. But that's not the topic of debate.
  16. Fritsch_the_cat

    Fritsch_the_cat Well-Known Member

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    Thanks. I combined Toni Fritsch with Fritz the cat. It took me forever to come up with a screen name no one was using when I first signed up here.
  17. Fritsch_the_cat

    Fritsch_the_cat Well-Known Member

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    "Socks and jocks", ya' know. He said it himself.
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  18. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    If they find a decent player for each position, wouldn't it be likely that the overall defense would be decent?
  19. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    He was the Head Coach under a GM that used three consecutive 1st round picks on WRs and 4 total 1st round picks on WRs.

    Here are Millen's drafts during Marinelli's tenure:
    (I think the only defensive players that remained with the Lions a couple of years after Millen was gone are Avril and Fluellen.)

    2008
    Cherilus, Gosder (from Min through KC) OT
    Dizon, Jordon LB
    Smith, Kevin(from Mia) RB
    Fluellen, Andre(from Cle) DT
    Avril, Cliff(from Dal) DE
    Moore, Kenneth(from Mia through KC) WR/PR
    Felton, Jerome(from NO) FB
    Cohen, Landon DT
    Campbell, Caleb(from NO) LB
    2007
    Johnson, Calvin WR
    Choice to Buf
    Stanton, Drew(from Buf) QB
    Alama-Francis, Ikaika(from NO) DE
    Alexander, Gerald(from Bal) S
    Choice to NO
    Choice to Bal
    Choice to Jax thru Bal
    Davis, A.J.(Choice from Arz thru Oak) CB
    Ramirez, Manny G
    Choice to StL
    Choice to NO
    Choice to StL
    Baldwin, Johnny(from Den) LB
    Choice to Min thru Den
    Choice to Dal thru NYJ
    Robinson, Ramzee CB
    2006
    Sims, Ernie LB
    Bullocks, Daniel S
    Calhoun, Brian RB
    Choice to NE
    Scott, Jonathan OT
    McCann, Dee CB
    Matua, Fred G
    Cannon, Anthony LB
  20. radioactivecowboy88

    radioactivecowboy88 Active Member

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    Yea, but it's not necessarily the case sometimes.

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