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Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by Chuck 54, Mar 21, 2014.

  1. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    I don't know how other people do it, but for me, I compare the player to other NFL players.

    If Zack Martin were a staring OT in the NFL, he would have the smallest wingspan of any current starting OT and would be on the low end in terms of all NFL OTs in the past 20 years.

    At Guard the smaller wingspan is not a problem, but it is an indicator of his overall frame and a strong clue that he's not going to play at a significantly higher weight than his college weight. He's not really a power blocker now and doesn't not project to be one in the future.

    He projects to be a really good zone blocking Guard in the NFL. There is a possibility that he could be more, but the probability is low.
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  2. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    Yep, it could happen. Donald could be available and the Cowboys could trade down anyway or they could draft WR Mike Evans.

    I like Donald as a pick for the Cowboys, but people get overexcited at this time every year.

    Speaking of overexcited, have you noticed that we've been infiltrated with newbies recently with small post counts that have proclaimed themselves the resident experts on the draft.
  3. Maxmadden

    Maxmadden Well-Known Member

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    Size of the post count doesn't matter. So, I have been told.
  4. starfrombirth

    starfrombirth Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the info... it's nice to be educated without being belittled... which isn't uncommon around here sometimes.
  5. Sydla

    Sydla Active Member

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    I am guessing this is a shot at me since I questioned some of your analysis. For the record, I never proclaimed myself an expert on the draft. I just disagree with your assessments.
  6. AsthmaField

    AsthmaField Outta bounds

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    It doesn't matter in the slightest. Some of the dumbest posts I've ever seen have come from guys with large post counts and I have seen some very smart posts from guys who are new here.

    Just because someone is new to this site doesn't mean that they are young or that they are new to football.
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  7. AsthmaField

    AsthmaField Outta bounds

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    I am probably Donald's biggest supporter on this board, but that is just because I think he fits perfectly at a big position of need. If the Cowboys pass on him then that means that Marinelli and company don't think he's as perfect of a need as I do, and I will understand that. It is such a terrific draft that I will expect us to get a really good player, but it certainly doesn't have to be Donald. This draft is full of very good players.

    They could want a DE more than they want a tackle since we signed Melton, and again... I'm ok with that and won't throw a fit.

    However, if Donald is available, I think there is a really good chance that we don't pass on him either, because he does fit our needs so well.

    Anyway, I'm just going to be glad to add some more talent to this team and I will support who they draft.
  8. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Bad Santa Staff Member

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    I think this is a draft year where you can get a good meat and potatoes type of draft. It might not be a self type of haul but you could get a good influx of talent in the trenches that will help this team a great deal.
  9. ABQCOWBOY

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    Long arms are important in the NFL but it's primarily because most Tackles do not have the kind of agility and footwork required to properly position themselves. I don't think that's the case with Martin. I agree with you that his best position is probably Guard in the NFL and I suspect it's Left Guard but I think he might do well at Tackle as well. He just might not be as good a player at Tackle but I think he could be solid at Tackle, if not great. He's probably to small to be able to hold up at Tackle for an entire career but if you needed him to play the position in the interim, I think he could do that. Smart player and that will make up for a lot IMO.

    He's a young Logan Mankin in my eyes.
  10. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    Agree. If anybody can defy the odds, it would be this player; however, I don't like drafting with the idea of defying the odds in mind. That's why I would only evaluate him as a Guard.

    Also, wingspan is not just arm length. Whats troubling about his small wingspan is that the Giants 1st pick last year, Justin Pugh has shorter arms but a bigger wingspan. That's an indication that Martin has a really narrow frame and is probably maxed out size wise.

    I think Martin will be a terrific Zone Blocking Guard.

    One big consideration is that this draft has much much better mid round depth at OG, IMO. Last year Warford was the only guy in that middle area talent wise.
  11. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    I understand your point but I think you have to be able to look at the other possibilities in players. If you can draft a guy who CAN project as a Pro Bowl type player at any given position but can also play at two other positions (this player can Guard, Tackle and Center), then his value has to be elevated. It's just such a luxury to be able to plug him in at positions of need if needed. I mean, this guy projects to all of those positions and those three positions are the most important three position on the OL.

    I think this kid is very valuable.
  12. Doc50

    Doc50 Original Fan Zone Supporter

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    Yeah, my wife agrees that size doesn't matter.
  13. Sasquatch

    Sasquatch Lost in the Woods

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    No one else seemed to notice, so I thought I would acknowledge having read this and think it's a reasonable suggestion. :)
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  14. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    I'm really concerned with his injury history and how he might check out Medically. I also have a few concerns about his ability to play in our scheme as a Tampa2 MLB. He's not very big and our DTs don't exactly eat up blocks. I'm a bit concerned about that but honestly, I just like the guy and if he checks out medically, I would have no problem taking him at 16 if he were the best player on the board.

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