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Top "needs" on the roster

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by xwalker, Apr 12, 2014.

  1. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    People believe what they want to believe. If you want to believe that Free was better than Tyron based on something (stats) other than watching hours of All-22 film, then it's your choice. The stats are obviously going to be in Free's favor when they altered the scheme to make his job easier at the expense of making the other guys jobs more difficult.

    The Cowboys are only in the 2nd year of this OL scheme. To say they're done "that" every year is obviously false.

    I don't know why you're referencing OT need. I had it low on the list because they have a legit backup in Parnell and developmental backup in Weems. It's Guard where they have a huge need.
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  2. Denim Chicken

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    I think you're discounting what the expected line was suppose to look like. Yes, we had injuries in camp, but these were players expected to start. You can't tell me a that healthy Ratliff, Spencer, and Crawford wouldn't have changed the dynamic of the line. Then you have Clay, Lee, Ware, Hatch, and the others banged up during the season too. With respect to the lack of depth, I do believe injuries (for the second year in a row) were detrimental.
  3. BigStar

    BigStar Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Anyone relying on Rat last season shouldn't have. His attititude should've warned us of his cont. but we all know we held out for some reason? Spencer (franchised 2nd year in a row?) Ware (accepted) and Hatcher (who has been a off an on starter throughout his career) Not the best foresight by management by any means.
  4. Denim Chicken

    Denim Chicken Well-Known Member

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    Not saying it was, and neither was the lack of depth behind them. Just pointing out that if not for injuries, things could have been different.
  5. BigStar

    BigStar Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Yes, Spence got injured bf game 1...that was it. Ware was available all season.Hatch too. Rat was a joke for any fan to take serious ( i know, management did too) 2 injuries = season over.
  6. jterrell

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    The OT ranking comment is an agreement with you.

    The take on Free is a disagreement.
    The thought we didn't help RT for basically every year since 1992 is also a disagreement.
    We absolutely did. Largely because we've been blessed with outstanding LTs.

    Tyron was BAD early last year. BAD, BAD, BAD. He improved markedly but his start wasn't good.
    Has nothing to do with PFF except where it does with REAL stats. Sacks, pressures allowed and penalties are very real things.

    I am not going to defend PFF rankings because there is as much hocum there as accuracy.
    But football outsiders and other sites rely on more "hard" data.

    All22 is awesome but fans are still goofy fans. They have agendas and bias.
    I saw all the games live. I don;t need replays to know the OL was pretty darn good overall and really great at times.
    Early in the year Free was really good. Nothing on all22 will disagree with that.
  7. Denim Chicken

    Denim Chicken Well-Known Member

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    Spence & Crawford were out. Rat was a joke, but he's playing now and Rod was counting on him. As mentioned Clay only played 10 games, Lee went out, Ware was banged up, others... Definitely not the only reason for the pitiful performance (1st year of a new scheme without the right players might have something to do with it), but the injuries sure didn't help.
  8. BigStar

    BigStar Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    But this is the recurring excuse? We weren't hit THAT bad. Get real about this. Our team relies on O (almost excl.) We act like the D was the reason we failed? Ok (convenient) I can make a lot of money with people believing this sham..
  9. DFWJC

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    Well, if the D is ranked 31 or 32 out of 32 teams, one might tend to believe that.

    Sure, the offense is not off the hook. But like Staubach said after the season, that team lost 3 games where they scored 30 or more points and one game where they scored 48 and still lost. That is almost impossible to do.
  10. BigStar

    BigStar Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    The same games they went 3 and out in multiple drives? You have a weak D but decide to pass 3 times out of the gate? WHY didn't this work, so frustrating ;) Respect to Staubach, but the league has changed a bit. Teams that score 30+ lose all the time. What is this , Grandpa hour? New way of the league, catch up dog. Forbid variables be in place? simple folk.
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  11. casmith07

    casmith07 I'm the best poster in the game!

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    I'm going to need evidence of Tyron being bad, because I simply did not see it.
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  12. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Won't argue with that
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  13. jterrell

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    That take really is absurd.

    Dallas lost basically it's entire planned DL. The depth guys were lost before the season even started then the planned starters and older vets were lost.

    No team lost as many of its top 8 DL as Dallas. That's just reality. And reality is that is something you don't just brush off.

    The offense was a top 10 unit. Arguably top 5. But it wasn't some over the top number 1 with a bullet unit that could overcome being historically bad on defense.
    We'd had to have have Peyton and Calvin Johnson added to overcome that atrocious defense.

    We got middling to poor pressure and covered horrendously. It was an epic collapse on defense.

    In the 4-3 cover 2 you have to get pressure from that front 4.
    The coverage behind it is predicated on not covering long.

    The easiest way to beat a cover 2 is throw to the middle of it then over top of it.
    And teams did that all year to us. A couple passes underneath then hit us with a monster play over the top.
  14. BigStar

    BigStar Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Accept the games they could? KC DET GB, keep acting like we didn't deserve those wins and make the playoffs. We have crap coaching so we can't expect that @ this point, though other teams make the playoffs every year with those SAME breaks. The lack of foresight on the part of the GM, etc. makes it "acceptable" for some reason? I PLANNED that all my 30 + would show up. Not Fair;)
  15. Fla Cowpoke

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    I agree on the top 4, but not the order.

    DE and DT are definitely bigger needs. We don't have legit starters at those spots. I think the OG's are at least average. So bump OG down to third and I think we are on the same page. Safety and LB are about the same as far as need goes...we have some bodies at S that might be able to play in Wilcox and Johnson, although I can't count on Johnson until he shows he isn't complete glass. Our LB's outside of Lee all have questions...and Lee has the health concerns. Holloman is one nice option, but I think we absolutely need 1-2 starting caliber LB's. Maybe one inside and one outside.
    Almost every other spot outside of TE has at least mild need.
  16. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    If the Season started tomorrow, the only backup Guard is Chris DeGeare. He has not played football since 2010.

    Bern and Leary have both had injury issues since they've been here for 2 years.

    Romo turns 34 next week and has had 2 back surgeries in the past year.

    Kyle Orton and/or Weeden are the backups.

    Bad DL play results in a loss. Bad OL play results in an injured QB.

    I maintain that OG is a critical need unless they find a free agent to be a legit backup.
  17. Fla Cowpoke

    Fla Cowpoke Well-Known Member

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    Critical need, but are you taking a G in the first? Second? I am guessing they don't address OL till the third at the earliest.

    You seem to like Parnell and Weems. In a pinch, Free goes to Guard and Parnell to tackle. You have said many times you think Parnell would be better than Free at T after a breaking in period. The fact is we have at least average starters at OG. We can pick up a cheap vet if needed and can consider Waters again if he gets surgery in time to be ready for games. I think guys like Billy Turner, Joel Bitonio or Trai Turner are options at guard and they will certainly come after the first two rounds. There are some legit centers that will be available in the 6th and 7th that might be able to come in and contribute as G/C as well...

    DT and DE are critical because in reality we don't have legit starters at two of the spots and one of the "legit" ones is coming off a knee and a down year before the knee injury.
  18. BigStar

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    That's convenient...facts get in the way kind've thing. It wasn't the joke @ RT that they had to accomodate, it was our all pro LT? Really? Rings course in this forum White washing this junt ;)
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  19. Bleu Star

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    QB is creeping higher and higher on my priorities list. I can feel it in my bones! I feel very much like Jerry Jones with a particular fan pleasing top flight blue chip QB in my crosshairs. If there is any doubt around Romo's readiness, I pull the trigger faster than you can say ohhh Johnny.
  20. big dog cowboy

    big dog cowboy THE BIG DOG Staff Member

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    There won't be.

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