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Trade Greg Ellis for Antwan Peek

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by stasheroo, Jun 7, 2006.

  1. stasheroo

    stasheroo Well-Known Member

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    Greg Ellis has made it abundantly clear he prefers a trade rather than attempting to continue in the 3-4 defense.

    Antwan Peek is an outside linebacker who has played well in the 3-4 defense for the Texans.

    Ellis would give the Texans a 4-3 defensive end to pair with #1 draft pick Mario Williams.

    Peek would give the Cowboys a high motor pass rusher to replace the disgruntled Ellis.

    Ellis is a better fit in a 4-3 defense.

    Peek the better fit in a 3-4 defense.

    I think such a trade would be a win-win for both clubs and I'd be interested to know what everyone else thought?
  2. Yeagermeister

    Yeagermeister Active Member

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    Sounds good but there is one problem......would the Texans accept that deal?
  3. Chocolate Lab

    Chocolate Lab Run-loving Dino

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    Who do you bench to play Peek? Carpenter?
  4. CrazyCowboy

    CrazyCowboy Well-Known Member

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    What have you read that says the Texans would trade this guy?
  5. conner01

    conner01 Well-Known Member

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    i see a couple of problems with this idea. one, why would the texans trade him? two won't he be a f.a. at the end of this season?
  6. Alexander

    Alexander What's it going to be then, eh?

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    Well, who would we "bench" to play Ellis in his nickel role?

    It is a nickel role, that means part-time player. Nobody would have to be benched.
  7. stasheroo

    stasheroo Well-Known Member

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    It's nothing I've read anywhere, more or less a connect-the-dots trade scenario like a lot of the media do.

    Given the changes in the teams' respective schemes, I think it makes sense for both sides.

    The Texans' motivation would be to acquire a proven defensive end to prevent teams from simply double-teaming first rounder Mario Williams. Trading for Ellis would accelerate their transition to the 4-3 defense. They would also be getting a quality player with a very reasonable contract.

    The Cowboys would be trading away an unhappy player ill-suited for the 3-4 defense. They would be getting a player who excels on special teams, has a high motor and looks to be on the brink of establishing himself. They would also be getting a player who's not yet 27 years old.
  8. Chocolate Lab

    Chocolate Lab Run-loving Dino

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    Great idea, let's turn this into another Ellis thread. We could really use another one!

    Forget Ellis, he is gone in this trade scenario. Peek is a 34 OLB, is he not? So who do you bench to play him?
  9. InmanRoshi

    InmanRoshi Zone Scribe

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    Uhmmm ..... When the proposed trade involves Ellis for another player straight up, its kind of hard to not include him in the discussion.
  10. stasheroo

    stasheroo Well-Known Member

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    The Texans would trade him for the very reason you mentioned, Peek would be a free agent at season's end.

    Ellis would be under contract for several more years.

    The Cowboys would be the team which would have to agree to a deal with Peek before a trade is done.
  11. bayarealightning

    bayarealightning New Member

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    Not only is Peek an OLB, but he plays on the weakside where Ware currently plays. Unless the Cowboys think that Carpenter is a liability on passing downs, then why would you stunt the growth of one of your young OLBs?
  12. stasheroo

    stasheroo Well-Known Member

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    1) I felt it was a unique scenario, that's why I started a new thread

    2) You're not forced to read or respond - it's voluntary

    3) Peek would be taking Ellis' pass-rushing role for the Cowboys, you would "bench" the same player you would for Ellis to see the field
  13. InmanRoshi

    InmanRoshi Zone Scribe

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    Its a good proposed trade. It makes a lot of sense. Which is why it will probably never happen.
  14. Typhus

    Typhus aka...golden

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    Peeks not exactly a household name, but I will check into his stats, but I have to chime in on all this."trade Ellis now, while is value is at its peak... no pun intended."..
    I just dont get it,,, look how long, and how many miserable late first round DE busts we indured, trying to obtain a Haley replacement.
    Over a decade of trying to find a pass rushing threat in the 4-3 at DE, and never succeeded.
    Now everyone seems to be so compelled with the notion of trading away argueably the 2nd best pass rusher on this defense.
    Are those who are in line with this thought process so inclined to bet the bank on Carpenter as being "good enough", to replace a proven commodity in Ellis, to hang out for trade bait.
    I dont want to take away from this defense, and loosing Ellis for anything less than a "proven" commodity, would be a mistake.
    If anything, I would rather see a top back-up QB, or 2nd round atleast for Ellis, but even at that, I think this defense and fans, would find out soon enough, how much of a presence would be lost on the field, should Ellis depart.
  15. Chocolate Lab

    Chocolate Lab Run-loving Dino

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    But we could just talk about Peek's role on this team and save Ellis' pros and cons for one of the other 1,000,000,000 threads. ;)

    I'm not saying it's a bad idea, I'm just wondering where Peek would play. Would he just be depth? Because IMO we are now (finally) pretty well stocked at LB, if Burnett comes back.

    And Stash, I didn't mention that as anything against your thread. I was actually trying to help it by attempting to keep the focus on Peek rather than having it get derailed into the Ellis gutter.
  16. InmanRoshi

    InmanRoshi Zone Scribe

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    Peak wouldn't be starting .. he would be taking Greg's role as nickel pass rusher in a 4 man line. We only play in the base 3-4 about 50% of the time. If we move Greg, we need someone to take his place in the nickel defense.

    In the meantime, I think Ware is turning into this year's Flozell ... the player we absolutely can not afford to have injured because the dropoff between him and the person behind him is so dramatic. Boiman, Burnett, Singleton and a rookie Carpenter provide little to no pass rush.
  17. Alexander

    Alexander What's it going to be then, eh?

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    Well, it was entitled "trade Greg Ellis", but anyways.

    Peek is going to rotate with Babin at 4-3 DE for the Texans and will see most of his action in passing situations on their 4-man line. He played 4-3 DE at Cincinnati. So if we had a series of packages designed with Ellis in mind, he would be part of a simple nickel or dime scheme. He could conceiveably do what we had slated Ellis to do, which is play end in a 4 man line opposite Ware. It has nothing to do with LBer as Ellis wasn't going to play a true LB position either.

    At any rate, this is a pointless discussion since this was just a name pulled out of the air and there's no indication that the Texans are shopping him.
  18. WoodysGirl

    WoodysGirl Do it for the Vine! Staff Member

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    Good argument, but the primary reason the Cowboys want to keep Ellis is because he's a "pressure" player. Antwan Peek in his three seasons in the league has 9 sacks. I wouldn't qualify that an equal trade in need.

    And if we go by numbers alone, we'd be on the negative end of this trade. Ellis is a proven player. No matter what folks think of him. Because of his consistency, you know what you're gonna get.

    Peek in his three years hasn't shown much, although last year would've been his best year. But clue me in if I'm wrong. As a LB in a 3-4 scheme, aren't you supposed to have more than 46 tackles?
  19. Alexander

    Alexander What's it going to be then, eh?

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    If we sit around waiting for what is considered "equal value" then we'll be waiting a very long time.
  20. MONT17

    MONT17 New Member

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    thanks to ELLIS going public... I dont agree with what he did! He killed his trade value!

    NFL teams dont spend on players that are on the way out the door except Parcells who sent Galloway for an unwanted Keyshawn!!!


    but dont tell anyone!

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