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Trade up w Rams at 13

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by egn22, Mar 15, 2014.

  1. Texas_Pete

    Texas_Pete Well-Known Member

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    This is why I am leaning towards Jernigan. Jernigan can effectively play in a 3-4 or 4-3. Plus he's bigger and likely is a better run stopper. FSU's defense was dominant last year. He was the anchor in the middle making it happen.
  2. AsthmaField

    AsthmaField Outta bounds

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    Yeah, if the team thinks he's that perfect for the 3 tech spot, then I have no problem moving up in front of the Bears and getting him.

    But then that probably surprises nobody. :D
  3. Aven8

    Aven8 Well-Known Member

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    What scares me is he played NT in the 34 the previous year for Pitt and still had the same type year. So he's not just a 3 tech IMO. He's light, but who cares if the Center and Guard can't even touch him!
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  4. bodi

    bodi Active Member

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    I really look hard at Jernigan

    then possible trade down for

    Kony Ealy, DE, 6-4 #273 Missuouri
    Ra'shede Hageman, DT, 6-5 #310 Minnesota
    Stephon Tuitt, DT, 6-5 #305 North Dame
  5. bodi

    bodi Active Member

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    yea but this is the pros not some college guys you never heard of
  6. 1LoyalCowboyFan

    1LoyalCowboyFan Active Member

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    That's what I'm hoping. Seems like some awesome players could be going 10 or so spots before we pick in every round. For example Scott Crichton. Don't think he lasts to the boys second pick. But would love him in a Cowboys uniform.
  7. 1LoyalCowboyFan

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    What about NYG taking him now that Joseph went to the Vikings?
  8. AsthmaField

    AsthmaField Outta bounds

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    True story:

    When Dallas drafted Emmitt Smith, a non-Cowboy fan that I was watching the draft with said, "Horrible pick."

    "Why is that?" I asked.

    "He made a living out of breaking tackles and making people miss." he said. "Smith won't get away with that in the pro's. They tackle too well and are just too athletic for him to do that. The NFL isn't the SEC. He just doesn't have the speed you need."

    You know the rest.
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    Maybe Donald doesn't succeed in the NFL. We just don't know.

    What we do know however, is that almost no DT's that have ever entered the draft has had workout numbers that equaled what he put up.
    We also know that that athleticism isn't just workout numbers because what he did in the actual games in college was phenomenal. He produced at a ridiculous rate in college.
    We know that his quickness and speed are rare for a guy who is 250, much less 290.
    We know that he is quicker than a lot of DT's that won with quickness in the NFL.
    We know he is strong and uses leverage to his advantage.
    We also know that there have been undersized DT's in the NFL that were more than successful, with Randle, Atkins, Glover, Melton and plenty others making numerous pro bowls.
    And we know he will get bigger and stronger as he works in an NFL strength and conditioning program.
    We know that the scheme we run is the absolute best scheme for quick, undersized 3-technique tackles to succeed in.
    We know that he was just as good playing as a NT.
    We know that our defensive coaches said they prefer speed over size in the defenders they're looking for.
    We know that he has the work ethic and character that our scouts and coaches look for. That he loves the game of football and it is important to him.

    I don't know that he will be a really good 3-tech for Marinelli... but I wouldn't bet against it.
  9. bodi

    bodi Active Member

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    we all know your he's your guy AsthmaField

    but comparing him to E Smith - well I got to say about that Jimmy was a college coach an knew what he was getting

    I appreciate your enthusiasm for him

    you got to go with what you believe
  10. supercowboy8

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    yeah because mocks are always right. There are just about 1000 different mocks made every day.

    St.Louis taking him would be scary with Donald and Brockers with Long and Quinn on that DL. All drafted players too. Thats a way to build a Dline.
  11. AsthmaField

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    Well, I wasn't comparing him to Emmitt... I was merely pointing out that there were people then who thought that Smith wouldn't be successful in the NFL because he broke tackles and made people miss who were "only" college players. They said that he was too slow... and he wasn't very fast. What they failed to account for however, was his extremely quick change of direction, his uncanny strength, and his fantastic run instincts.

    I was hoping that people would see the analogy between that and Donald only beating guards who are in college and who think he's too small.

    Just like Smith was slower than you'd ideally want; Donald is a little lighter than you'd ideally want. Smith has some rare traits in his strength and change of direction and Donald has some in his quickness and speed. Those exceptional traits were enough for Emmitt to overcome his lack of speed. Is Donald's exceptional traits enough to overcome his lack of size? Only time will tell, but I think they are.

    Anyway, I appreciate you not beating me up because I think Donald is who we should draft. I know I'm too focused on him, and there is a good chance he ends up elsewhere... but I honestly think he'd be great in Marinelli's defense.

    I will get behind whoever we draft. I just hope it is Aaron.
  12. AsthmaField

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    I saw somewhere a prediction that Dallas trades up with Tenn. at #11 to take Donald. I could see it happening. Like I said though, if Dallas does do it, then they feel like Donald is that perfect of a fit for Marinelli and that it is worth it to secure him.
  13. Fredd

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    There are very few guys I would give up resources to trade up and get. For example, if by some miracle, Mack fell within range, then go get him...IMO, he is a difference maker more so than most in the top part of the first round...I like Donald a lot and would be happy with the pick, I just see him with value between our pick and high 20's (between 15-25). So, trading up for someone with that value makes me a little queasy with the enormous needs the team has
  14. TheRomoSexual

    TheRomoSexual Well-Known Member

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    See also Emmitt Smith and Dez Bryant.
  15. jnday

    jnday Well-Known Member

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    You make a great point. It would be foolish to sink a ton of resources into players that are scheme specific when a new coaching staff may change the scheme. It may not be a popular point to consider, but it has to be factored into the players that are on the draft board.
  16. jnday

    jnday Well-Known Member

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    The pro linemen are faster and stronger. With Donald's size, he may wear down easily when he faces linemen that are able to push him around. Then he becomes a situational pass rusher. That makes me question his value if that becomes the case.
  17. bodi

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  18. ceerrece

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    Sorry, but Donald doesn't worth trading up, there's no certainty that he could be the answer to Dallas problems... take Jernigan, a LB or trade down instead.
  19. jnday

    jnday Well-Known Member

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    Donald could be great, but their seems to be concerns with most if the Dline prospects. I don't think any if them are worth trading up for.
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  20. xwalker

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    I don't see Jernigan as a good fit in a 3-4. Most 3-4 DEs are taller with long arms and at 299 lbs he's not really NT size.
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