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Recap: Trent Dilfer on ESPN Radio recap...

Discussion in 'News Zone' started by InmanRoshi, Jan 3, 2012.

  1. JohnsKey19

    JohnsKey19 Well-Known Member

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    I agree but this is the least of our concerns right now. As long as everyone, Witten included, understands his #s may drop a bit going forward, we'll be fine in the immediate future.

    I think we need to fortify our blocking from the TE position, not pass-catching. With Bennett likely leaving, we need to replace his in-line blocking more than anything else IMO. If you're worried about anything as far as Witten is concerned, it's his blocking. Not bad but certainly not as consistent as before.

    With our top 3 WRs, 2 RBs, Witten and Romo, we have more than enough skill to move the ball thru the air. We finished with the 7th most passing yards with the 4th highest QB rating. I dont care how the yardage is divided. That's more than enough production and efficiency from the passing game. The focus going forward needs to be getting better up front to improve the running game and keeping our QB upright.
  2. 28 Joker

    28 Joker 28 Joker

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    Jay Ratliff and Miles Austin have become the new faces of the over-rated, over-paid Cowboys core.

    Dare I add Orlando Scandrick to that list....
  3. InmanRoshi

    InmanRoshi Zone Scribe

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    It's a passing efficiency league and the running game is becoming more and more irrelevant. The good offenses I admire don't employ wastes of space blocking TEs like Martellus Bennett.
  4. bigboi

    bigboi Benched

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    30 players that would not make another roster at all :laugh2:

    Come on man reel in the hyperbole a bit.

    But I will play along name 20 players on this roster that would not make a opening day roster.
  5. JohnsKey19

    JohnsKey19 Well-Known Member

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    Our numbers show we were more than efficient enough passing the ball. My point was if anything the passing game could get a boost from better pass-blocking. Not so much by adding more skill.

    I brought up blocking from the TE spot because one of our best players on the entire team is Murray. It would be wise to improve in areas that would accentuate his skills. While it is more than ever a passing league, we saw first hand how much Murray's rushing improved this team.

    To your point, obviously it's better to have versatile players who are not one dimensional.
  6. Marktui

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    Witten is old school TE, the TE's coming out today are more of the Gronk and Hernandez mold. Taller lanky players that can get down the seams and out run defensive backs.

    If we let Bennett walk (I think we should) I hope we draft these move type tight ends. Coby Fleener, Michael Engnew-not great at being in line blockers, but a match up nightmare for defenses because of their ability to run various receiver routes. Of course who better to learn how to be a tight end than from Witten. Phillips could be one of those TE's but all the playing time he received was being a fullback.
  7. bigboi

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    Really? Andrew Quarless and Green Bay say hello

    And while your at it tell he is the great 2nd TE in New Orleans?
  8. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    I don't have it in quotes. Maybe I can try to find it.

    He just talks about how he has gotten by so well with his off-the-charts intangibles, but that the reality is setting in. He has gotten by extremely well all of his life on the the strength of his...strengths. But, as most know, he is not even remotely close to being an NFL quality passer.

    There were defensive schematic reasons for Tebow Time in additon to the great late-game job he did.
    Teams were shutting Denver down completely for 3 1/2 qtrs but were making the huge mistake of dropping back into coverage during hurry up time--thus leaving Tebow the two areas of his game that are best (running and short passes). Buffalo and especially KC mostly continued to take away the short stuff and made him throw deeper...and he got exposed.

    Furthermore, according to Dilfer, he looks much less confident and his teammates also have not looked confident like they were in the past....which is understandable. The effect of all of this is compounding and the result is what we are seeing now.
    Matt Prader and great defense can win you a few games, but obviously the offesne needs to be scoring 17-20 or more if possible.

    Oh well, that was a rough take of Dilfers view of Tebow at present.
  9. punchnjudy

    punchnjudy Well-Known Member

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    Replace Romo with a young Quincy and you're right back to 5-11.
  10. yimyammer

    yimyammer Well-Known Member

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    Thank you
  11. Gemini Dolly

    Gemini Dolly Well-Known Member

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    Thats the bottom-line.

    We just are not very good.

    How do we get to being good?
  12. InmanRoshi

    InmanRoshi Zone Scribe

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    Quarless is a good receiving tight end and came into the draft as a pass catching specalists, and was a good pass receiving threat for them last year when Finley went down. New Orelans 2nd TE is David Thomas, and he sure as heck isn't a blocking specialist. He's about 235 dripping wet.


    Just because these guys aren't racking up numbers doesn't mean they're not good pass catching specialists. It just means their 5th or 6th on the pass target pecking order. You can find these guys cheap, which is why spending a 2nd round pick on a TE who turned out to be a 6th offensive lineman like Martellus Bennett was monumentally stupid.
  13. InmanRoshi

    InmanRoshi Zone Scribe

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    Yep, basically teams late in the game were going into prevent mode, which means zone coverage. Tebow could hit a guy who's standing there wide open in the open spots of a soft zone. Now late in the game teams have gone man to man, making him fit the ball into tighter coverage, and those throws aren't there anymore.
  14. ringmaster

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    I agree with most of this Inman and I'm hoping for the team to draft another TE like a LaDarius Green, or as you stated a cheap second complimentary TE to Witten, a guy who can really stretch the seam and he would make Jason even more dangerous like as you said with Gronkowski, and Hernandez.

    This team needs help everywhere and one draft won't be able to do it but it would be a start if they use the 2012 draft wisely especially considering they have the #14 pick in the first round they will have alot of thinking to do when it comes to that pick.
  15. ringmaster

    ringmaster Active Member

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    Good thinking there my friend he would be a nice fit in this offense.
  16. bigboi

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    Andrew Quarless has 24 career receptions Bennett has more receptions every year they have played.

    Bennett had more catches than Quarles last year and he is the 5th or 6th on th pecking order so try again.

    David Thomas has less receptions in the last 3 years than Bennett had last year.

    Your point was that potent offenses have better 2nd TE's than Bennett and this has proven to be false.
  17. vlad

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  18. InmanRoshi

    InmanRoshi Zone Scribe

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    I believe you're leaving out an offense from the north east.

    Once again, of course they don't have great recieving numbers becuase they're 6th or 7th in the pass target attempts queue. Not because they seem physically incapable of having a ball come towards them without having it ricochet off their concrete hands and into a defender's arms like Bennett.
  19. bigboi

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    So you think Bennett is in the first couple of reads?

    He is as far down the pecking order as those guys and even with concrete hands he has more catches.

    And the caper is that none of those guys is a better blocker yet Bennett is a complete waste of space. :rolleyes:

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