This is where I have the biggest problem. One group is talking about the team and the disappointments in the past and the reluctance to accept Jones at his word. They see a guy like Aikman point out something important in that it may be the players, and they discuss the ramifications of what that means. Does this mean more of the same? Because the problem isn't necessarily coach based? Then their are others who use the word hope for the future and label any discussion of the possibility of business as usual as whining and crying. So one group talks about the team. The other group talks about other posters.