Uh oh, tight end trouble

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by erod, Jul 16, 2013.

  1. Zimmy Lives

    Zimmy Lives Well-Known Member

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    Got ya. Also for the record, Fish has always taken a back seat to better known Cowboys radio personalities because he has always been a bit abrasive. If I was to rank him I'd place him in the top ten of local sports talk Cowboys insiders.
  2. FiveRings

    FiveRings Well-Known Member

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    While that is true, Escobar is still fairly weak all around. Now, I don't know all of his measurable, but it was well known when he was drafted that he would struggle as a blocker. I'm still not worried about it this year, because if we're throwing a three tight end rotation out there on a consistent basis, then you can leave Hanna home to block more on the line of scrimmage, while splitting Escobar out wide more often and still not be all that predictable.
  3. EGG

    EGG Well-Known Member

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    It's inconceivable that the team didn't know about Escobar's lack of strength so I'm willing to bet that they liked him anyway and have a plan. Could be that not much is expected of him this year... the claims about Hannah are a little more troubling but the position doesn't exactly demand a rocket scientist's intellect so I'm hoping he's further along once TC is over.
  4. Zimmy Lives

    Zimmy Lives Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. Witten isn't about to give up his throne as #1 TE so Escobar has time and should contribute this year in some capacity.
  5. chip_gilkey

    chip_gilkey Well-Known Member

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    Neither do I. I'm from ohio. He is just a big name for boys news, especially during draft time. At least now you have another outlet for boys news that we're all craving this time of year!
  6. 187beatdown

    187beatdown Lack of Big Plays

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    I don't know about anyone else, but in today's NFL I really don't care if my TE can block well, I just want him to catch the ball.
  7. speedkilz88

    speedkilz88 Well-Known Member

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    From Broaddus article:
  8. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    In theory, Witten and Escobar should be sufficient threats in the passing game that defenses sub in DBs for LBs (nickel and dime packages).

    Despite a lack of great upper body strength, at 6-6 254, Escobar should be a mismatch when blocking any DB.

    The basic game plan in the 2 TE set:

    If the defense plays base personnel (all LBs in the game) then pass the ball.

    If the defense replaces LBs with DBs, then run the ball.
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  9. GimmeTheBall!

    GimmeTheBall! Junior College Transfer

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    I cannot imagine Jerra drafting poorly performing players.
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  10. Future

    Future Intramural Legend

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    Good breakdown.

    Esco was brought in here to catch the ball, even if he does have some blocking responsibilities. His job will be to attract attention in the middle of the field and catch some balls in the redzone. If he does that, even if his blocking is weak, he'll have a good rookie year.
  11. Joe Rod

    Joe Rod When Keeping it Real Goes Wrong

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    12 reps of 225 would be one seriously buff high school girl.
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  12. jazzcat22

    jazzcat22 Well-Known Member

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    I am going with...the scouts and coaches know a bit more about the TE's situation and the strength of them better than a reporter trying to sell papers [getting clicks on a website]....
    That's my opinion anyway....let's see what TC shows.
  13. BraveHeartFan

    BraveHeartFan We got a hat. I want a ring.

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    I'd like to see some play in pads before I start worrying about these things. I'm not sure how some reporter can decide any of that stuff based off of running around in shorts and a helmet.
  14. iceman117

    iceman117 Active Member

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    How is Escobar slow? What are you basing that on his 40, which wasn't that bad for a TE, and who cares anyway about a 40 time, how often does a TE run 40 yards on a straight line in a game? ill answer that for you 0. The guy was drafted primarily to help out in the red zone because he has tremendous ball skills, they can move him around to create mismatches for the defense. Why are people freaking out before the kid even plays a preseason game. Give him a chance. He may struggle to start the year but he will get it, the kids going to be a good player. His rookie year he is going to be a red zone target, I wouldn't expect too much more than that from him.

    As far as Hanna goes, the guy has played football his whole life, he knows how to learn a playbook, these reports are just ridiculous. He will be fine.
    Lets see a couple preseason games before we crucify our TEs.
  15. tunahelper

    tunahelper Well-Known Member

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    Maybe so, but Larry Allen sure could muscle DL with his no benchmark BP.
  16. jobberone

    jobberone Kane Ala Staff Member

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    Well neither Hanna nor Escobar are small. Escobar is not slow although he's not a burner move TE. His 4.7ish speed is middling. I would call him slow for a WR though. Hanna is fast. Hanna is not weak nor is Escobar. If you want to say Escobar is not strong enough to be an inline blocker I'm all over that. If you say Hanna is not the best blocking TE in the league I'm all over that, too. Neither Escobar nor Hanna has been accused of not wanting to or not liking to block.

    Your post is not factual and appears to be not helpful.
  17. Derekmtl85

    Derekmtl85 Well-Known Member

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    Why are you so happy to dump on a Cowboys player before he even plays a game?

    I get it, true fans can complain too, but to be so happy about trashing the guy, before he even plays a game? Really?

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  18. Screw The Hall

    Screw The Hall Well-Known Member

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    We haven't had 1 day of training camp yet. If the coaches need camp to decide who's who and what's what, why in the hell would I believe anyone else on the face of the earth knows how things are shaking out at this point?
  19. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    Who was pretty much a consensus 2nd rounder by many draft experts.

    I'd rank the ability to run routes and catch passes higher than I would speed.

    And at 6'6" 245 he'll be able to at least be a large impediment to many defensive players if he doesn't have the strength to "pancake" them at the point.
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  20. Yakuza Rich

    Yakuza Rich Well-Known Member

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    Fischer is typically one of the better reporters. He actually seeks to find out the things that are important to the level of success the Cowboys have instead of peripheral, tabloid-esque nonsense. He's subject to the latter, but it's a once in a while thing.

    The thing about Fischer is I don't doubt if what he's reporting is true. We often hear nonsense from writers that ends up not being true and it never made sense to begin with. Then when we read more reports of nonsensical stuff that ends up not being true, the reader who does not have an anti-Jerry bias should question the reporter's credibility.

    I wouldn't doubt if Escobar is having blocking troubles. He was not known for his blocking in college and I don't think he ever saw time at the F-Back spot. But, this would also explain the Cowboys going after Escobar as they already had Hanna. Hanna is an impressive athlete, but if he's not grasping the playbook then that is probably a big reason for them drafting Escobar.

    The only reason why I didn't like the Escobar pick is I don't see Witten getting usurped anytime soon, unless he gets injured. We've tried the 2 TE set twice and have failed both times. IMO, if we are going to do that, then we need to do it with a TE we draft in the 4th round to play along with Witten; rather than continually drafting 2nd round TE's.

    It's not the end of the world though. We can always go to a 11 personnel. I'd rather have us try and put the best players on the field at once rather than force 12 personnel.


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