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Vick's licked: Time to cut a deal... Romo mentioned

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  1. CrazyCowboy

    CrazyCowboy Well-Known Member

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    Vick's licked: Time to cut a deal
    Mark Kriegel
    FOXSports.com,

    Sportswriters aren't supposed to have rooting interests, but I declare mine now: I'm hoping Michael Vick takes the plea deal. That way everybody can forget about this horrific dogfighting business and return their attention to more humane endeavors, like NFL football.

    A man of Vick's extraordinary talents — gifts that enable him to evade those trained to do him serious bodily harm — must find great difficulty in accepting a loss. The time has come, however, for him to finally see the field for what it is.
    There are seven — seven! — witnesses against him, four from the original complaint and the three ex-pals with whom he was charged. There is expected to be a mountain of forensic evidence, not the least of which are the canine carcasses unearthed at Vick's Virginia property. Dogs can't testify, of course, but imagine the looks on the jurors' faces when they are shown photographic exhibits of the brutalized animals.

    Let us grant certain stipulations in Vick's favor. There is, as all sports fans by now know, a presumption of innocence in criminal proceedings. What's more, the witnesses are certain to be unsavory types. Finally, let's accept for the sake of argument, the idea of selective prosecution. Would the federal government bring in backhoes to dig up the property at 1915 Moonlight Road in Surry County, Virginia if it didn't belong to a famous quarterback? I think not.


    Still, none of this is much help to Vick — especially not if he's guilty, which I certainly think he is.

    That's not to say he's beyond redemption. If nothing else, this culture is abundantly forgiving. Mike Tyson made a comeback after a conviction for rape and an ear-biting incident. Ray Lewis, who pleaded and testified against his friends in a homicide case, is accepted as NFL royalty. Don Imus will be back before you know it.

    So, unless Vick's lawyers have some super secret legal bomb (and if they had it, do you think his pals would've ratted so fast?), he should negotiate the best deal possible, avoid the superseding indictment, do his time, and get back on the field while he still can.

    He's 27. A single conspiracy charge carries a maximum of five years in jail. A loss in court on multiple counts would likely mean the loss of his career. But a plea that minimizes his time would maximize what time he has left on the field. And as this season's already a lost cause, he should probably start serving his sentence as soon as possible. A man who does his time deserves another chance. And a year or two from now — hypothetically, of course — Michael Vick will get plenty.



    One thing still bothers me, though. Sure, I was properly outraged by the dead and dying dogs, by the various apparatus involved in their captivity and torture. But should I really have been so surprised?

    In his column last month in the Fort Myers' News-Press, Deion Sanders — football royalty himself — tried to offer some context: "...some people enjoy proving they have the biggest, toughest dog on the street. You're probably not going to believe this, but I bet Vick loves the dogs that were the biggest and the baddest. Maybe, he identified with them in some way."

    Gee, you think?

    You think Michael Vick, who's had to prove himself on the streets and on the field since he was a kid, could have possibly aspired to be the biggest, baddest dog?

    You think he's the only guy in the NFL who's been too close to the dogfighting scene?

    Of course, Deion Sanders was lampooned, then censured. The NFL Network, for whom he works as a commentator, apparently owns his likeness and opinions. The league's television arm quickly ended his career as a newspaper columnist.

    See what I mean? The sole good to come out of this, as my colleague Tony Siragusa pointed out, is that it stopped people from talking about those felonious Cincinnati Bengals. Now, at least, everybody can get back to football, which unlike dogfighting, no one seems to care if you bet on.

    I am not equating dogfighting and football. Football players can't bite (not even Tony Romo, I don't think). Still, it's worth noting that football has produced its own violent culture (check out Pros and Cons: The Criminals who Play in the NFL by Jeff Benedict and Don Yaeger, or more recently, the arrest statistics cited by Pacman Jones' lawyers) and its own celebrated forms of brutality.

    NFL football is spectacularly violent, and — don't you lie — that's why we love it. Football players are compared most often, not to pit bulls, but to gladiators. And while death is quite infrequent, maiming occurs with regularity. Tim Layden's recent cover story, "Big Hits," in Sports Illustrated quotes Ray Lewis: "The game is about taking a man down, physically and mentally."



    That's the truth of it. Ray Lewis is justifiably admired in his huddle and around the country because he's the big hitter. To borrow a phrase, he's the big dog.

    But by now you've heard more than you care to about a vocation that requires the giving and taking of these huge shots. The consequences include blackouts, concussions, post-concussion syndrome, orthopedic ruin, neurological damage, dementia, depression, early onset of Alzheimer's, absurd mortality rates.

    Blah, blah, blah.

    Let's get back to the important stuff.

    Cop that plea, Michael Vick. And the rest of you, place your bets.

    Get the chips.

    Bring the beer.

    Are you ready for some football?
  2. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    I wish I could argue against his main points, but I can't. Now as regards Vick, he is probably correct. He is a product of his enviroment- BUT its also an environment that he at least partially CHOSE.
  3. VA Cowboy

    VA Cowboy Benched

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    Actually, it's an environment he did choose.

    He did grow up in a bad area, but he made a name for himself in football, got a scholarship to VT, became a star, left early for the NFL, became the #1 overall pick and became set for life.
    He wasn't stuck in that environment, he chose to stay in that environment because that who he wanted to be, that's the culture he wanted to live in.
  4. Calvin2Tony2Emmitt2Julius

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    He put my thoughts into words. I guess that's why he get's paid and I got smeared. Good points. I still think Deion and others who explained the culture and got damn near decapitated for having a view point that is not popular was wrong and dangerous but people will see that point when they get called into the Czar's office.

    Imus is Back and I'm Glad. I think he is a foolish old fart and I haven't listened to his show since I left up north in the late 80's but I'm a huge freedom guy. And if you can shut up a fool, you can shut a dissident.

    The article pointed out some serious Hypocracy in the National Psyche but as he said Back to football.
    Place your bets
  5. flashback

    flashback Real Man of Genius

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    Is he saying that ppl think Tony Romo bites? Or is he saying that Tony Romo can do so much, but even he can't bite? I don't understand the reference.
  6. Bungarian

    Bungarian Butt Monkey

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    I don't like any thread that starts with Vick's licked
  7. DallasEast

    DallasEast Cowboys 24/7/365 Zone Supporter

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    Coming from a journalist, this is, pardon the phrase, dog stupid. Vick will have the label of dog killer attached to him for life; and who will be the principal responsible party for doing just that for years to come?

    Answer: the media a.k.a. journalists, sports broadcasters, etc.

    "That way everybody can forget about this horrific dogfighting business". Yep. It's gonna disappear overnight--never to be spoken of again. Yeah right. :rolleyes:
  8. Boyzmamacita

    Boyzmamacita The Ultimate Cowbabe Zone Supporter

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    My take is that Romo is one of America's darlings in sports, but even he can't bite. So the latter part of your question is closest to what the writer meant.
  9. notherbob

    notherbob Active Member

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    I agree. His lifestyle represents his personal values and he has a lot of choices the average person never will have. He has been doing what he wants to do and it is a reflection of what he values. That's OK, because where he's going, there are lots of people who share his values and he will be highly admired in prison.

    He is what he is because that's what he is - and it is by his full freedom of choice. With his money he could have done anything he wanted - and he did.
  10. iceberg

    iceberg detoxed Zone Supporter

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    i'll have to agree w/you here, VA. i don't appreciate people who say "but it's how i was raised!!!" i don't care how you're raised, look at the laws of society around you and figure things out for yourself.

    vick was given a golden life for himself and kids for several generations and he chose to knowingly break the law for his own amusement. *he chose*.

    you make bad choices you pay for them and learn. that's how it works regardless of your "background".
  11. DallasEast

    DallasEast Cowboys 24/7/365 Zone Supporter

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    :hammer:

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  12. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    Your missing the point entirely here. The culture he was raised in had a value system where dogfighting was not only acceptable but encouraged. You dont just choose the culture that you spend your years formulating your value system in.

    Vick at the end of the day probably sees nothing wrong with dogfighting regardless of what happened to him after he grew up. He did not 'choose' that he was 'raised' that.

    Most of you guys i think should never travel outside of the US and Western Europe, i dont think many of you could handle it.
  13. GimmeTheBall!

    GimmeTheBall! Junior College Transfer

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    Icy, are you really agreeing with VA because you are afraid of him or are you just sucking up to him? I hope it is the none of the above.

    And is your avator really a product of photoshop? Those two heads seem really disproportionate.

    By, the way, I agree with VA but I am not afraid of him nor sucking up to him.
    I came from the mean streets and now I am on easy street. I chose to switch my environment and culture. Took years of saving and swindling, but now I am happy. But I would be happier if I had twice as much money. :D
  14. iceberg

    iceberg detoxed Zone Supporter

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    i'd like to think that i can agree with someone i've argued (heated even) with in the past and it's nothing more than at times even the bitterest of "foes" will agree on specific topics.

    and no - it's not photoshopped.
  15. heavyg

    heavyg Active Member

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    So your saying just because its accepted in the culture he was raised in the legal system should over look it? Your right outside this country things like this are legal and accepted. BUT we arn't outside the US and its illegal here. If you dont like a law work to change it. Until its changed abide by it or face the consequences
  16. LaTunaNostra

    LaTunaNostra He Made the Difference

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    me neither - not since those std rumours anyway
  17. 5Stars

    5Stars Here comes the Sun...

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    :eek:

    I wonder if those std things came from the dogs?

    Lawyers...can Vick claime that?

    :confused:
  18. VA Cowboy

    VA Cowboy Benched

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    :eek:



    ...and history is made ;)
  19. JackMagist

    JackMagist The Great Communicator

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    I did not take any of Fuzzy's comments to mean that Vick should not be punished (If indeed he did mean that then I disagree with him). I took merely as a social commentary meaning that even though the activities were illegal they were not wrong in the eyes of Michael Vick because they were commonplace activities of his youth. That he is after all a product of his environment as most of us are. Those people in Eastern Europe would laugh at our outrage over the dogfighting because they have very real Human Rights issues to be outraged over; it is a matter of perspective.

    The values of our youth tend to be the values of our adulthood...right or wrong. In Vick's youth people did illegal things frequently; they knew that they were illegal but that was of little importance to them. That attitude seems to have followed him into his adult life; so now he will face the consequences just as those people who influenced him in his youth almost certainly did.
  20. GimmeTheBall!

    GimmeTheBall! Junior College Transfer

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    I take your word for it on the former.:)

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