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Vince McMahon's list of the top 5 wrestlers of all time...

Discussion in 'Sports Zone' started by MichaelWinicki, Feb 28, 2014.

  1. BoysFan4ever

    BoysFan4ever Well-Known Member

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    Why do so many wrestlers die so young? I see it all the time in the news.

    Is it that demanding physically?
  2. Cowboy Brian

    Cowboy Brian Romo 2 Austin Zone Supporter

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    It's a respectable list from his perspective. My list is

    #1 - Shawn Michaels
    #2 - Ric Flair
    #3 - Kurt Angle
    #4 - Stone Cold Steve Austin
    #5 - Undertaker/Bret Hart/The Rock
  3. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    I could live with that if it's from say 1995 on.
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  4. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    The physical stuff is part of it.

    One year Ric Flair wrestled like 380 times in one year. Yes, there were times when he wrestled twice in one day... Once in an afternoon show and then fly/drive to an evening show.

    One time he wrestled Ricky Morton 15 days in a row, with most of the matches going 1 hour.

    Think of the wear and tear on the body even though it they weren't delivering full impact hits or kicks.
    All that wear and tear probably doesn't lead to a long life. And with all that pain came the pain-killers. Or anything else to deaden the pain which was on the menu for many of them.

    Which of course led to drug addiction for many. Not to mention affecting the body in negative ways.

    The loneliness of being on the road that much must be brutal... These guys have money in their pockets and a few hours of boredom... Recreational drugs and alcohol are the result, which aren't going to contribute to a long life either.

    Keep in mind there is no or was no "Prowrestler Union". Each guy (or gal) is their own product. There was no support system in place. The promoters were more of their adversary than the guy across them in the ring.

    It's a very hard life.
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  5. jimmy40

    jimmy40 Well-Known Member

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    My #1, but I haven't watched wrestling since I was about 12.
  6. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    Wahoo was terrific. He was never a World Champion which keeps me from having him in the top 10 but certainly in my top 50.
  7. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    Even just having a list of pre-1990's World Champions... Guys that held the title for an extended period of time and not just a couple months (or less):

    Ric Flair
    Harley Race
    Dusty Rhodes
    Dory Funk Jr.
    Terry Funk
    Jack Brisco
    Nick Bockwinkle
    Vern Gagne
    Lou Thesz
    Buddy Rogers
    Bruno Sammartino
    Superstar Billy Graham
    Bob Backlund
    Hulk Hogan
    Pedro Morales

    That's 15 guys right there. Now I'm not saying that being a long-term World Champ puts you at the top of the list but it should get you in the top 50.

    Add in some of the Champs from 1990 onward and that's going to fatten the list up even more.
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  8. BoysFan4ever

    BoysFan4ever Well-Known Member

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    I was flipping through a paper the other day & saw where some wrestler died. I can see where it would be a very hard life. In my mind it must be like being a stunt person.
  9. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    Good analogy, being a wrestler is even harder because it's almost an everyday thing. Just a tremendous grind.
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  10. BoysFan4ever

    BoysFan4ever Well-Known Member

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    I hope they make a lot of money from the owner or promotion or whatever they call it.
  11. mmohican29

    mmohican29 Well-Known Member

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    I have to think Triple H needs to be on the list. Has anyone held the WWE Title Belt more times? Also: from a technical standpoint, I think Bret Hart is the greatest wrestler of all time.
  12. lane

    lane The Chairman

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    no list is complete without tully blanchard and arn anderson

    greg "the hammer" valentine and dean malenko were awesome too.
  13. Manwiththeplan

    Manwiththeplan Well-Known Member

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    I don't see how Hogan can be left off a top 5 list. For starters, he was the main event for so long in the WWF and helped establish them as the dominant wrestling organization. Then he was instrumental in putting WCW ahead of the WWF. Yes the nWo was more Bicshoff's, Nash's and Hall's idea, but it just didn't work without Hogan. Arguably the greatest face and greatest heel of all time.
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  14. RastaRocket

    RastaRocket Sanka, Ya Dead Mon? Ya Mon.

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    How can you knock a guy for not being world champion when wrestling is staged?
  15. DanteEXT

    DanteEXT Well-Known Member

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    At the 80's Superstars taping show I attended several wrestlers performed multiple times. Granted none were hour long matches. WWE got 3-4 weeks worth of episodes out of it. Yes the ring is padded somewhat and it gives a little plus they have gym mats on the floor, I'd have to agree that the cumulative effect over 20-30 years would take it's toll on your body.
  16. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    Easy. Determining who was going to be world champ, at least in the NWA was done through a group of several prominent individuals. It wasn't something that was taken lightly. The person selected had to not only represent the organization in a high manner, he had to be an excellent worker who could take bumps. And keep in mind maybe the two most important criteria of a world champion– make his opponent look like a credible threat and finally... draw money.

    I remember Harley Race once saying his greatest ability was being able to take anyone and make them look like a dangerous opponent.

    That being said I think anyone that was a world champ for any extended period of time has to be included in at least the top 50.
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  17. MichaelWinicki

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    Yep. I'm not a Hogan fan, but you have to give him his due... He's definitely in my top 10.
  18. casmith07

    casmith07 I'm the best poster in the game!

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    Bullcrap! He should be. He is singlehandedly the best Luchadore that's ever lived. No respect for Los Luchadores!?
  19. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    The problem is the length of career spent working for a major US promotion. If I did include talent from outside the US, who spent much of their careers wrestling for non-US promotions I would rank Mil Mascaras much higher than Mysterio.

    And then you have several Japanese wrestlers who would rank higher. In addition Carlos Colon would rank higher.
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  20. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    The Crusher
    Mad Dog Vachon
    I can remember those days

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