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WaPo: Republicans Propagating Falsehoods in Attacks on Health-Care Reform

Discussion in 'Political Zone' started by TheRat, Aug 7, 2009.

  1. vta

    vta The Proletariat

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    And?

    Personal bankruptcy is a personal problem and if I ever happen to fall into it, for whatever reason, I won't expect anyone to really care or the government to wipe up my mess. The rest of the world has a right to keep turning in it's own idifference to my misfortune. In the meantime, it's up to me to do the leg work to try to mitigate any unforeseen problems, not our governments and certainly not my fellow citizens, in the form of me getting their tax money if it happens.

    Let's not be naive and think our government is impervious to corruption and give it all the power to rule our own lives, with fantasies of 'fairness' and civility. The less they have to do for me, the less power they have over me.

    Jeez this country's whole ideology has been independence, how about this thankless generation learn the proper definition of that word and utilize it for something meaningful.

    That picture of Reagan holds no point of reference to or for me. Maybe you need a glass of water to clear up a little more than that itch in your throat, eh?
  2. ChldsPlay

    ChldsPlay Well-Known Member

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    Exactly! I don't know why people keep throwing out that lame stat about bankruptcy. LIFE IS NOT FAIR!! Sometimes **** happens and you have to deal with it. Bankruptcy isn't easy, and makes things difficult sure, but you just have to suck it up and pull through it. Bankruptcy is NOT the end of the world.
  3. TheRat

    TheRat The Silly Willy

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    India has one of the most corrupt and inefficient governments in the world. 75% of their banking system is nationalized, and right now is doing a lot better than the rest of the world's privatized banking systems. So if India's government can do a better job than the private sector then that is pretty sad. So don't act like the private sector is always better than the public sector, likewise the public sector is not always better than the private sector. We should do what works best and not work towards some ideological ideal, capitalist or socialist.
  4. vta

    vta The Proletariat

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    Honestly? Because that's what they have been told.
    I normally don't engage in assumptions, but I'd wager a good number of the people parading these precepts around haven't personally experienced any of this doom and gloom themselves, yet will with great conviction continue to use these things as evidence in their discussions. Because their politicians would never stoop so low as to resort to subversive appeals to fear and shallow notions of charity to get the power they want. No.
  5. Dallas

    Dallas Old bulletproof tiger

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    God forbid someone actually takes responsibilities for his/her life when viewing our society through skewed liberalistic glasses.

    Where is my free lunch?

    Give me free medical

    Give me a flippin job already. What do you mean I have to know what Im doing to work?

    Pay for my aunt's medical bills (even though she's an ilegal in this country) it's her RIGHT.

    My daughter want's her abortion. Who do I call to get it paid for?

    My union wants to take over the auto-industry. Who do I vote for?
  6. vta

    vta The Proletariat

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    ???
    Go to India. By all means. Gain some empirical evidence and use it for something meaningful.
  7. Dallas

    Dallas Old bulletproof tiger

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    Barney Frank needs to be run over by a slow moving steam-roller.
  8. TheRat

    TheRat The Silly Willy

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    Bankruptcy is also not an economically efficient way of solving problems, because creditors often times don't get their money back. Moreover, normally financially responsible individuals get blacklisted for loans later on in life because they had to file for bankruptcy as a result of circumstances beyond their control. This is one instance where the economy would work more efficiently if we had good universal healthcare.
  9. iceberg

    iceberg detoxed...part 2 Zone Supporter

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    did you just put universal healthcare together with solving bankruptcy?
  10. Dallas

    Dallas Old bulletproof tiger

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    he most certainly did do that.
  11. TheRat

    TheRat The Silly Willy

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    It is kind of callous to make some take an inordinate amount of responsibility for something they had no control of.

    Nobody is getting free medical care. You are still going to have to pay a premium on the public option, except that premium will be lower due to less administrative costs and it is non-for-profit.
  12. vta

    vta The Proletariat

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    Bait and switch.
    When you don't want to answer questions, post random pictures of Ronald Reagan, link to narrow views of success in other countries, where great numbers of the population leave and come here to our inferior system of abject failure, and then call up the personal problem stories of some of the unfortunate and correlate them all together and hope you appear convincing.




    :laugh1:
  13. Dallas

    Dallas Old bulletproof tiger

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    Card stacking anyone? ;)
  14. TheRat

    TheRat The Silly Willy

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    Well there is empirical evidence that around half of bankruptcies are filed for catastrophic healthcare problems.
  15. zrinkill

    zrinkill Diamond surrounded by trash

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    :bow:
  16. MetalHead

    MetalHead Benched

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    66% of personal banckruptcy filings are medically related.
    However,is that a good reason to create a nanny state?
    What else do you want from Uncle Sam?

    jeez..
  17. sacase

    sacase Well-Known Member

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    Of course they are cheaper. The taxpayer subsidises them. Do you really want to pay 21% of your income to the government just for health care alone?
  18. sacase

    sacase Well-Known Member

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    You can buy a house two years after bankruptcy....cry me a river.
  19. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    Facts? Fact is no one know how the hell we are going to pay for it. There are many ideas floating around but thus far there is nothing in stone. In the end if this is passed I expect to see higher taxes paid by the middle class because something this large affecting this many people is not going to fall on the upper 1 to 5% alone. Right now anyone who even asks these questions at town hall meeting are being labeled a member of a mob. It is a joke listening all these years how Bush divided the nation well this administration sure as hell is not bringing people together..
  20. TheRat

    TheRat The Silly Willy

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    Were you concerned about the effect of Bush's tax cuts or the War in Iraq on the deficit? I suspect not. Funny how people all of a sudden become so concerned about the budget.

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