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We are raising a generation of deluded narcissists

Discussion in 'Off-topic Zone' started by JBond, Jan 10, 2013.

  1. Galian Beast

    Galian Beast Well-Known Member

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    Further, I didn't say you should prove our economy is falling, I said you should prove that there is an association between how this generation was raised and the failing economy.
  2. JBond

    JBond Well-Known Member

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    You win. I ordered your prize. I think it should fit well. Wear it proudly so everyone knows.


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  3. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    An authority? No, not an authority. A person with a certain amount of practical knowledge, lets call it field experience for this excercise, oh yes. Most certainly. Does not having any children or not living that experience on daily basis make such a person more qualified then those who have raised children?

    If that is indeed the case, then you have my apology. I wonder, where is yours for treating everybody like buffoons?

    I have already presented facts to you. Clearly, all that gets you is more of this kind of pointless rhetoric. If this is how you want to handle this, that's fine, that's your decision. However, it is not OK for you to claim that the facts are not being presented to you. They are, your just not acknowledging them.

    This sounds like an opinion devoid of facts.

    I think you are over thinking this. You made a statement and because of how you presented it, you were attacked. That's really what it comes down to IMO.
  4. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    Well, I assume this is still in context to the younger generation of today and their work ethics etc?

    In the example you give above for Track and Field, I'm going to be happy as pie and not worry about the three faster kids who just moved into the district. In fact, I'm going to make sure they have everything they need and then some. I'm going to work even harder then I did before and I'm going to push these guys as far as I can. Why? Because I've just lucked into a state championship in the 4x4 and it's possible that if I work just a little harder, I might be able to break into the top three and maybe even win the 100 with a bit more hard work.

    Seems simple once you really look at it objectively, does it not?
  5. vta

    vta The Proletariat

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    I know SAT's aren't taken globally, I coupled that with global standings for both sides of the measuring process. National historic precedence and global standings are two forms of measurement.

    Oh you have come to a conclusion, you're just playing an ambiguous stance to keep from having to assert yourself with any of the facts you think everyone else is obligated to provide (even though our economic and educational standings are factual). So instead you offer ill-fitting metaphors and ignore direct questions.

    State your position plainly or just admit you hate the conclusions others are coming to. It's understandable to reject these views; no one can look at it entirely in a pragmatic way and claim to be unaffected.
  6. Galian Beast

    Galian Beast Well-Known Member

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    Raising a child does not make you an authority on child raising, if it did, your premise would be invalid from the get go.

    If everyone who raised children were experts, how could we have such a problem with how children are raised? Illogical.

    Apology accepted.

    What facts have you presented?

    It's not an opinion. What you've done is a logical fallacy.

    Post hoc ergo propter hoc, look it up.
  7. Galian Beast

    Galian Beast Well-Known Member

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    And now another student comes, and bumps you off the relay team. And now you aren't on the track team at all... despite all your hard work the others work just as hard. I suppose now you're a failure... despite your original standing as superior and all of your hard work... Yikes.

    My position has nothing to do with your presumption. You can't suggest that because we are falling behind in education it is because of a specific factor without proving that it's because of that factor. Correlation doesn't prove causation, it never has.
  8. vta

    vta The Proletariat

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    I never said anything about education falling behind due to a specific factor. I pointed to education among other reasons why cultures decline. We're talking generational erosion in this thread, not educational erosion.
  9. Aikmaniac

    Aikmaniac Well-Known Member

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    Marriage is going by the wayside, my friend.
  10. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    This might all be very useful if somebody had claimed that raising children made a person an expert in the subject matter. However, since nobody did, I am forced to ask, what's your point?

    On a side note, you never really answered the question asked of you. I'll ask it again.

    Does not having any children or not living that experience on daily basis make such a person more qualified then those who have raised children?



    But not reciprocated. I wonder, if I asked any of the posters in this thread if they were surprised by that, would they answer in the affirmative?


    Well, I gave you your own words. I explained how they were not conducive to a productive discussion but rather, a bit insulting. I don't know what more proof I could have presented.


    Yeah, still kinda sounding like an opinion devoid of facts.


    I'm sorry, I've given up latin as I am no longer expected to test on it. You will just have to translate into english.

    Thank you...........
  11. DallasCowpoke

    DallasCowpoke Fierce Allegiance

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    My sentiments 100%! A few other things that have bothered me for a long time.

    1) Having kids participate in a team sport, then not keeping score.
    2) "Time outs".
    3) Graduations from ANY grade lower than High School!
  12. Galian Beast

    Galian Beast Well-Known Member

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    VTA - Education was an example. Everything is eroding is eroding for a reason. To presume that reason without giving facts, and simply giving an opinion is confirmation bias.

    ABQCOWBOY - My point is that the field experience gained from having a child apparently is worthless to you if your opinion is that the majority of people are not raising their children right. You could raise a child every day, but be completely unqualified to do so versus having no children of your own, but being better suited towards parenthood.

    And I was referring to the facts presented on the topic at hand.

    It means after this, therefore because of this.
  13. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    Unlikely. A HS track season is really only going to last 4 months or so. I mean, seriously, how many world class sprinters/students do you think relocate in a single track season? However, if that very unlikely event were to materialize, it is logical to assume that if I'm a 10 flat 100 meter guy, the track coach is going to find me a place on the track team. Somebody else may get bumped, maybe a person who isn't working nearly as hard as I am to make the team but I won't be bumped. In the almost impossible event that by some Universal misfortune, there are 4 sub 10 flat 100 meter guys who just happen to transfer into town during track season, and the rest of the entire team advances to the point that a 10 flat led foot like myself is just not good enough and everybody else on the team is better then me and there is no longer a spot for me on the team, then there's always Baseball.

    I know that I can run, I know that I can field and I know that I can hit. At some point, it occurs to me that I might have been wasting my time with Track and Field when I could have been an All Star all this time.

    If for some unfathomable reason, the Baseball team starts showing up all these remarkable athletes from out of district and they are three deep at every position with transfers that are better then I am, then I guess I will just have to go out and find myself a job that I can work and make money at. I mean, in my family, if you weren't playing a sport or in some other kind of activity, then you had to work in the family business. That was concrete when I was growing up and we really never got paid for that. That was how our Mom's all instilled the right kind of ethic into us at the time. So, you went out and got your own job if you weren't in sponsored activities. Now, since it doesn't really matter how fast you run if your working, I'd imagine that I wouldn't have to worry too much about sub 10 flat transfer students.

    What else you got?
  14. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    I do not recall stating an opinion which echos these statements. If you have it, please, help me to understand.

    However, since you bring it up, yes I suppose that COULD be the case. You could have parents that are not good parents and you could have people that do not have children, no experience and they could be better suited to being parents but that was never the question was it?

    The question was: Would you say that people, on the whole, who have never had children, because of the lack of that exprience, are better suited to speak on this question of Generational behavior because they have never had the experience of raising children?

    That was the question.

    I did present facts on the topic I was discussing. As far as the rest, well, I think you don't need me to comment on that. I think you have your hands full trying to defend your position against all these other posters as it is.

    Of course it does, but even in Latin, it still is not a fact. It's still your opinion and nothing more.
  15. vta

    vta The Proletariat

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    You seem to have a pretty slack definition of just what facts are, or you're confusing facts with opinions.

    It's not my opinion that SAT scores have declined to their lowest levels, or that America has slipped down to 17 on the global scale of educational rankings. The same goes for economic situation, health, etc. These are facts, not ideas propagated by me.

    If you contend that I'm wrong, that education is in fact rising, that our economy is in fact healthy, by all means provide your own facts.
  16. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    For the record Galian, my opinion on this subject is probably too politically charged to discuss on the board.

    However, if you would like to discuss my thoughts on this, you can certainly feel free to PM me and I would be happy to discuss the subject with you.
  17. Galian Beast

    Galian Beast Well-Known Member

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    ABQ - I would say that raising children doesn't give you better insight on the differences between generations.

    What facts did you present. I'd love to see them.

    It's not an opinion its a matter of logic.

    VTA - Why are you so easily confused, I'm not arguing the facts in regards to lower SAT scores, rather the cause of lower scores. And the cause of the other things you mentioned.
  18. vta

    vta The Proletariat

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    You're not arguing anything, except others' opinions. You haven't mentioned a cause for lower scores at all, and neither have I. There hasn't been a counter argument for anything, except your commentary on the psychological breakdown of how others came by their conclusions and claims that people are confused. :laugh2:
  19. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    Again, not what I asked. I very specifically asked you if you believed, based on your previous statements, if you felt as if people who had not raised children had better insight into Generational differences.

    We already know you don't believe that raising children is important.

    Are you going to continue to avoid the question?
  20. WV Cowboy

    WV Cowboy Waitin' on the 6th

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    Yes I did, you are right, .. forgive me.

    Especially morality, .. such a shame.

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