What are the chances of David Carr becoming Parcells's next project?

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  1. WoodysGirl

    WoodysGirl U.N.I.T.Y Staff Member

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    Franchise has a pair of 'options' to consider

    Decision time is looming for teams with young, high-priced quarterbacks who have underachieved during their careers. For the Houston Texans, in fact, decision time on David Carr, the top overall player chosen in 2002 but a quarterback who seems to have regressed over the last two seasons, is only about two months away.

    That's because the Texans only have until the final game of the regular season to execute a buy-back clause in Carr's contract that enables the franchise to retain him. Under the terms of the seven-year contract Carr signed as a rookie, the final three seasons of the deal were voidable. Carr has already reached sufficient performance levels to cancel those three years, and technically, his contract expires at season's end, making him eligible for unrestricted free agency.

    But the Texans have the right to buy back the voidable years and have two options for doing so. The first involves paying Carr a bonus of $5.5 million to buy back two seasons, at base salaries of $5 million for 2006 and $5.25 million for 2007. The second is a bonus of $8 million, which would buy back three seasons, with base salaries of $5.25 million each in 2006 and 2007 and of $6 million in 2008. So do the Texans, whose underachieving performance is essentially a reflection of Carr, keep him around by sinking even more money into a guy who has fashioned just a 14-33 record as a starter? Almost certainly, they will, given the time and money invested already. To this point, through five weeks of the season, the Texans have paid Carr about $17.86 million, and they owe him the balance of his $5.5 million base salary for 2005. To dump Carr now would be an admission of failure, and pragmatically, it's not as if the club has anyone better to replace him.

    But in recent days, Texans officials have begun to debate the wisdom of doling out the $8 million bonus to buy back three more years on Carr's contract. Suddenly to the winless Texans, who figure to watch disappointed owner Bob McNair enact a relatively dramatic housecleaning at season's end, the two-year option is looking like the way to go. It saves a few bucks and puts Carr on notice that there are some limits to the team's patience. And if Carr produces in the two seasons, well, the Texans can either extend the contract or use the franchise designation to keep him around.

    It is a decision that, while still two months down the road, is getting considerable debate these days among Texans officials. Suffice it to say that some team officials no longer view Carr through the rose-colored glasses they once did. His apologists can point out, and sometimes rather convincingly, that Carr has suffered from a lack of support. The poor quality of the offensive line has turned Carr into a human piƱata, the receivers, beyond standout Andre Johnson, aren't especially accomplished and Domanick Davis, for all his productivity, is still seen as a middle-level tailback.

    All decent arguments. But Carr hasn't exactly picked up the offense by the boot straps, either, and carried it along. Watch him on tape and it's obvious, after being hit so much in four seasons, that he is getting a bit gun-shy. And he's missing open receivers, not even seeing them at times, then often unloading too late. He's in a hurry to get outside the pocket, doesn't always get through his progressions, and frequently looks unsettled. It is not, on tape, a very pretty sight.

    New offensive coordinator Joe Pendry, who replaced the deposed Chris Palmer after coach Dom Capers and Carr helped throw him under the bus, has been a lot tougher on his quarterback. And players told ESPN.com that Pendry has the offense watching more tape together now, as opposed to in units, so they can see the collective errors that are being made and where the breakdowns are occurring. In two games with Pendry as the coordinator, though, the results haven't been much better than they were when Palmer was calling the shots. At some point, some heat has to fall on Carr, some players agree.

    The Texans are hardly the only team facing the kind of decision at quarterback that they do with Carr. Detroit (with Joey Harrington), Baltimore (Kyle Boller), the New York Jets (Chad Pennington) and New Orleans (Aaron Brooks), teams have quarterbacks who have made a lot of money, and for various reasons, failed to deliver a commensurate dividend. One has to wonder how much more shelf life those guys have. There is no such uncertainty in Houston, where the clock is ticking. The Texans have a little more than two months to decide if they want Carr for two more years, three more seasons, or perhaps not at all.

    Basically he's going nowhere for at least two years... :cool:
  2. Kilyin

    Kilyin Well-Known Member

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    That's gotta hurt.
  3. VirusX

    VirusX Well-Known Member

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    Then stop watching football, Every QB is a project. All of them have to be taught something at one point or another. They dont come in and be like Peyton was last year. Every QB is a project. Some pay off and some dont. Unfortunately for us. More have not worked then worked..
  4. Kilyin

    Kilyin Well-Known Member

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    You make it sound like he's a rookie or a baseball player (Dallas fans are jaded about "project QBs" because of these). Carr has been in the league for four years, I don't think he qualifies as a project. Is Bledsoe a project? No, he's a veteran reunited with an old coach.
  5. Cowchips

    Cowchips New Member

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    I still say bring him in..I like Bledsoe a lot and that will guarantee Drew isnt harrassed for 4-5 years if Carr is his backup :D
  6. wldcowbyfan

    wldcowbyfan New Member

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    do not get carr if we need to get a QB look at Young in Texas or Mcneal at AM vick so many others
  7. VirusX

    VirusX Well-Known Member

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    Yes. Bledsoe was also a project. He had to learn our system. He is more seasoned but he still could have been hit or miss...

    A project in the sense that would he work in our system. He has done it before in the NFL but so did Eddie George. Every player new or old is a "project".
  8. Kilyin

    Kilyin Well-Known Member

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    I think you're confused about the common context of the term "project QB" or "project <insert position>".

    Eddie George didn't have a bad year because he came to Dallas. His career was already going downhill from a previous injury in Tennessee. He wasn't a project, just a stupid signing.

    Bledsoe isn't a "project". Purcells knew exactly what he was getting with him.

    Patrick Crayton is/was a project. A college QB/RB/WR/Return man converted to WR exclusively, a 7th round draft pick.

    Antonio Gates was a basketball player turned into an NFL TE, and he is/was also a project.

    If every player in the league was a project, wouldn't that make the whole league a project? That's alot of projects.

  9. cobra

    cobra Salty Bastard

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    Vick? Are you kidding me?

    His brother, Michael is better than he is, and Michael Vick is a CRAPPY qb. Why the hell would we want to draft a no-talent butt-clown like Marcus Vick?

    Oh, I know... so we can have one of them fancy "running qbs." You know the ones... the ones who never win Super Bowls.

    GREAT IDEA!!! A+++++!!!!
  10. ghst187

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    :hammer: :hammer:

    I'm so sick of hearing about Young and McNeil on this board....
    A) they won't be Dallas Cowboys
    B) they won't be successful NFL QBs
    C) like you said, when a run-first QB wins the SB, then I might start to be persuaded that they can win in the NFL, until then....
  11. KingTuna

    KingTuna New Member

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    Bledsoe is our QB through 2007 MAYBE 2008....Write that down...

    We will not be looking for a young QB to groom until MAYBE the 2007 season.

    That would be a good year to draft a young QB or see who's out there that is still young and learning to take over for Bledsoe in a year or two from then.
  12. VirusX

    VirusX Well-Known Member

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    Yes, All NFL teams are projects. Does dallas need another player to fill a position. Like lets say a FS. Well to me thats a project. Bring someone in and make them fit your system Vet or Rookie they would be a project.

    I'm sure many disagree but in my eyes. Everyone who is unproven with their team is a project. They are not a project when they fit the system as needed.

    Tom Brady isnt a project. Peyton Manning isnt a project. Joey Harrington IS a project. Although not much longer a project for the lions... You can disagree thats your right but thats how I view it.
  13. CM Duck

    CM Duck I'm breaking the 4th wall...

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    Hmmm, I don't understand either :confused:

    Young's stats for 3+ qtrs today:
    V. Young242833020

    How can a college QB with his size and speed along with these stats get that kind of attention? By the way, he seems to be pretty accurate to me;) .

    Vince Young should stay for his Sr year and then he will go #1 overall in 2007. As long as he stays healthy of course.
  14. Kilyin

    Kilyin Well-Known Member

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    That's fine, we obviously have completely different perspectives of what a project player is. I'm stickin' with mine. Doesn't mean either of us should quit watching football.
  15. ghst187

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    Young fits great at UT, as a COLLEGE QB because in college, running QBs can have more success. In the NFL, plenty in Atlanta would like to bench their electrifying, running QB because Shaub is a much better passer and Vick will probably never make it a full season. McNair used to do a good bit of running, cut his career WAY short and he hasn't made it through a full season in about 8. In the NFL, when you run, you take a beating. Plenty of pocket-passers have had shortened careers because of taking beatings. Scrambling all the time only speeds up that process indefinitely. The LB's are MUCH faster and hit much harder. Vick will slow down soon and then since he's not a good passer, will be little more than Kordell Stewart. Sure Vince is a freakish athlete, but I don't think he'll ever make the NFL cut in his brain and that's how the great ones beat people. Vince will definitely go high in the draft and follow a similar fate to Vick, although I don't think Young is as good a runner or as fast. Young definitely needs another year in school to have a chance but I'd take Brady Quinn 1000x and twice on Sunday in the '07 draft even if Young stays. Whomever wastes a first round pick on Young will wish they hadn't.
    I have no idea why people around here are obsessed with run-first QBs (or one quick read and tuck it and run QBs). Maybe its the Texas homerism/shelterism? Who are the best QBs in the league? Brady, Manning, Bledsoe, Manning, healthy Mcnubb...(Mcnubb can scramble but he normally hangs in the pocket and he's also still ringless despite excellent surrounding cast).
    For the record, as pros:
    Young < Vick
    McNeil = Kordell Stewart
    Note to everyone, give up the Vince Young/McNeil Cowboy pipedreams now, you'll be glad in the end.

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