Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by lane, Oct 14, 2013.
Just happy they play for us and nt anybody else
Both have proven worthy of being on an NFL active roster. I think what Hayden does in the trenches is under appreciated. I think he could be serviceable going forward as a 2 down run stopper if needed. Selvie has been solid as well. Ideally he would be a very good backup DE. The difference between Selvie and a guy like Rayford is substantial, so we were fortunate to acquire Selvie when we did.
Both have been pleasant surprises. This is their last chance for both of them having bounced around the league a bit and it looks like they're taking advantage of it. Two things come to mind, good coaching matters, and the talent across the league is pretty similar and it takes motivation to stand out of the pack.
I've been happy with both of course, given our situation they've saved our tail. Hayden routinely has plays that impress me, including in hustle chasing down defenders downfield. Selvie has been impressive given the situation as well. Nevis looks like a good fat plugger type. Without Ware takind chips/double teams it will be interesting to see if all that focuses on Hatcher and what these guys do.
How many of you think this is less about Selvie & Hayden and mostly about Marinelli? I choose the latter. While the two formers have done an admirable job of filling in, I truly believe Rod Marinelli's coaching style is paying huge dividends right now. Think of that Giants defense from some years ago and how it didn't matter who they put out there. They regularly overachieved. In Marinelli I trust.
In Selvie's case, he's really benefitting by being in a system that doesn't require him to drop into coverage ever, where he's a liability. Hayden looks like a fire-plug player to me, I think he just fell between the cracks, previously. He's also tough, and played through what looked like some pain last week.
No matter how you slice it, a lot of us were poking a lot of fun at Marinelli and Kiffin during the offseason for saying they liked our no-name DL talent. Looks like they were right, and a lot of us were wrong. And, by 'us,' here, I mean 'you.' (Not you Bleu Star, just the collective 'you'). And you guys all know who you are.
I could see Selvie keeping his starting spot next year, with Hayden and Drake as strong rotations guys. I'd also love to resign Hatcher and find a franchise 3-tech.
Selvie--Hatcher--Draft Pick/FA--Ware or Draft Pick/FA
What's really scary is look how small selvie is as far as muscle, compared to most other players his position.
I think he'll bulk up and become even better next year.
Ever hear of Reggie White?
The fact is the Cowboys NEED a couple of these guys to pan out for next season. Yeah, the defensive line needs reworking but you know the Cowboys will follow their draft board and won't pick up any more than a couple defensive linemen through the draft.
Great production out of people we brought off the street.
I agree - and in addition I think Spencer returns (playing time depending on health obviously) and a DT is taken in the first two rounds no matter what else happens. Despite the meltdown this year, we may end up with very good bench players in Hayden, Selvie and Nevis. Maybe Wilber also.
Last offseason?? People were poking fun last week...rolling kiffin out of here in his wheelchair,etc.
He must mean BESIDES the best DE of all time...
We are getting amazing value from the two. Props to them and to Marinelli's coaching.
For me they're not good enough to say we shouldn't try and upgrade in the draft next year but they have been solid. Nevis also. I'm actually most impressed with him because I always felt like he was a good football player in a terrible system. He wasn't a 3-4 linemen.
We need more pushing in the middle but as of right now no complaints. When I think about all of these guys plus a healthy Ratliff, Ware, Spencer and Crawford? You can sort of see why they had some confidence in their defensive line before this season. Just too bad they all got hurt.
Ever heard of Robert Mathis?
I think it's about both. Marinelli knows what he wants in a defensive player and he just kept going through them until he found what he liked, it was a numbers game. It takes a lot of confidence in your abilities to turn down Floyd in the draft and trade Lissemore. A younger less experienced coach may not have done that.
IMO.....High motors and relentless. However, the entire DL, minus Hatcher, needs to control themselves more. I have yet to see any team collapse a pocket and miss the sack by mere inches as often as the Cowboys do. Once you're there, don't overreact. They need to learn to use each other to get that sack. They don't need 4 heroes.......... they need a play.
JMO, of course.
I like both guys. They've given us everything they've got to this point and they are doing what they can to be better and better. I think if we can keep them around and add some more talent that they'll remain vital pieces of the puzzle when it comes to depth.