What do you see in this video?

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by TheCount, Mar 15, 2011.

  1. TheCount

    TheCount Pixel Pusher

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    I'm curious, since so many are pushing for Smith to be the pick at #9.

    I'm not all that impressed, he looks like his game is purely finesse which might be fine for pass blocking, but remember how terrible our run game is?
  2. CATCH17

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    He has great feet and great positioning is why everyone likes him.

    But yes he is a project.

    Meanwhile good ole Gabe Carimi is strutting around as the best guy as of today while all these others guys supposedly have more "upside" than him.
  3. danielofthesaints

    danielofthesaints Well-Known Member

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    Agreed, I would take Carimi above Smith if the draft were today.
  4. johnnyd

    johnnyd Active Member

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    i really like this kid allot. It's annoying to read the negative comments from all the message board scouts and gm's. Is he a RT only? i DK most of us don't know what to look for to make these decions and the only reason it was brought up was because people read it in a column and now they talk about like it was their idea and it's now fact. I thinlk I will trust the coaches to decide where he is best suited for at the next level not a mock draft specialist :D

    Bottom line He's big , Confident ,and ornery the kid dominated in college and is the most pro ready lineman in this draft
  5. Cowboy Brian

    Cowboy Brian Augmented. Zone Supporter

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    I see potential, he's only 20 remember. If he hits, you potentially have a tackle for a decade and a half. He has the physical tools to be an ELITE blindside protector.
  6. TheCount

    TheCount Pixel Pusher

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    Yeah perhaps, but he seems extremely susceptible to power.
  7. CATCH17

    CATCH17 1st Round Pick

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    Which is ok. You can alway gain strength. You can't gain what he is born with as far as athletic ability.
  8. TheCount

    TheCount Pixel Pusher

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    True enough, but I'm not sure it's just an issue of strength, he seems like a pretty strong guy. His technique is also pretty horrid, but again, that can be corrected.
  9. DMOB

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    I don't think I would waste the 9th pick on "potential". Trade down to 18-24 range, then fine.
  10. supercowboy8

    supercowboy8 Well-Known Member

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    but if you miss then your miss big. Top 10 money and a wasted pick. We need starters, we need this draft to be great, we cannot afford to miss on this draft.
  11. supercowboy8

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    I don't want to pick a guy top 10, give him top 10 money for potential and isn;t ready to play today. Top 10 player gets paid like a starter. Why pay smith when I can pay Carimi who I know can start.

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    Well, as has been pointed out, I'm not an NFL talent evaluator but, I know what I'm seeing in this clip. He's not a RT. He's a LT, at least in this game. He's a rider. By that I mean that he tries to get his hands on you and ride you out of the play. He doesn't lock up, drop his hips and drive his man at all. He lets his guys get too deep into his body and loses his leverage points. He is not using his hands to deliver a pop and he isn't using proper technique. He bends his body but doesn't use his knees. His pad level is whay to high. He kinda slides but never really engages well. I don't know. It's easy to see why a lot of people like his potential but he looks horrible IMO, at least in this game.
  13. TheCount

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    I agree with everything you said, in fact I included pretty much the exact same thing in my first post but deleted it so people could make their own judgement.

    I think he looks terrible in this game, maybe he looks better in others.
  14. AKATheRake

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    He had a horrible first quarter against an average pass rush, but played much better once the 2nd quarter came along.

    He has very good feet and doesn't give up on plays but he just gets shoved back and doesn't give the QB much of a pocket at all.

    Is just there in the run game.

    I understand he's putting on size and is only 20 but he's very average in college and the NFL is just another beast all together.

    I wouldn't touch him before Carimi, who I wouldn't touch before the 20th pick myself. I also know 1 of these top tackles is going to be there early in the 2nd.

    If I'm going OL in the first it's Carimi and Pouncey after the 20th pick.

    I understand having that standout OL is something we need on our line but this draft doesn't have it unless it's at the guard position.

    I rather take Cannon in the 2nd.

    Basically, I'm being real nice in consideration to what was seen here. I've seen other stuff that is even less appetizing on Tyron Smith
  15. 28 Joker

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    Tyron Smith is the best pass protector in this draft. Go watch him block Cameron Jordan in the running game. Smith will be a much better LT than Doug Free. Free was a better run blocker last year than pass protector. Plus, Free wasn't close to run blocking at Adams' 2009 run blocking level according to Football Outsiders.

    However, Smith could start from day one in Dallas, because he would be replacing the worst RT in the NFL. Smith will be a day one starter for who ever drafts him. He's one of the best players in the entire draft.

    Smith is the exact type of athletic run blocker, who excels in space and on the second level, which you can use to get the explosive Felix Jones in space and to the outside. Plus, Smith can do the pulling along the line that Davis can't do very well.

    Any team that drafts Carimi over Smith will need a psychological evaluation, just like any team that drafts J.J. Watt in the top 10.
  16. Muhast

    Muhast Newo

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    Aren't your projecting him at RT? Romo is right handed. So that wont be his blindside.
  17. Future

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    totally agree. He just doesn't look powerful enough. Maybe as an LT finesse pass blocker type, but we have one of those. He really needs to bulk up his legs and his core to really improve his drive, particularly for the run game.
    Thought that too. Everybody is prone to poor games, but he looked like he was getting physically beaten, which should never happen even if you aren't focused.
  18. Randy White

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    Carpenter from Alabama is a very athletic LT, but he's getting pushed down the draft because of his lack of strength and size.
  19. 28 Joker

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    I just watched some highlights from the USC/UCLA game. I saw Tyron Smith easily getting out to the second level in the running game and blocking defenders and clearing space for the running back to gain significant yards. That is one of the major weaknesses on this old Cowboys offensive line. Smith was easily sealing his man in the run game and showed some good pop and drive blocking. Again, he chips and gets to the second level with ease. On one screen in that game, Smith had the key block that sprung a 40 yard TD.

    In one highlight reel, Smith demonstrated the running game skills that Wes Bunting stated that he possessed, in Bunting's scouting report.

    Smith is the most athletic and best offensive tackle in this draft, and the team that gets him will get a player in the mold of D'Brickashaw Ferguson.

    The days of the mauling "run blocking" RT need to go out the door with Mark Colombo in Dallas. The NFL is evolving, and Dallas likes to throw the ball down the field, and Felix Jones needs blockers on the edge who excel in space and on the second level.

    Players like Gabe Carimi are as good as they are going to get. Carimi is not a player who will excel in space and will most likely be better on the right side. I wouldn't draft Carimi in round 1. I think he's a round 2 player.

    Smith is 307 now, and he will most likely be in the 310-312 range by the start of the season. It's just my opinion, but I think Smith could give Dallas better LT play than Free gave them last year, especially in pass protection. Free excelled in run blocking according to Pro Football Focus and not pass pass blocking. Again, Free's run blocking was not on Flozell Adams' 2009 level according to Football Outsiders. Adams ranked in the top 5 in two major run blocking categories while Free ranked 14th and 28th respectively.

    Having said this, I'd be real happy with Smith playing RT one year before he is moved to LT for good. The entire football field would open up for Felix Jones in the running game and screen game. Plus, Romo would have the most athletically gifted and best pass protector in the draft (20 years old) protecting him, instead of Mark Colombo or some lower tiered player or some scrub like Sam Young.
  20. Chocolate Lab

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    He is consistently slow out of his stance. That's one reason he's getting beat a lot here.

    Like you said, not very impressive IMO.

    I started to joke about this, but it's really true: Is his butt big enough for Houck? You know he loves, almost obsesses about, his guys having a huge butt and legs so he can anchor. I'm not sure he's built the right way for what Houck wants. I can still see HH liking Carimi.

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