Discussion in 'NFL Zone' started by Parcells4Life, May 15, 2014.
Agree 100 percent.
Everyone and their brother has a reality show.
Is Sam a more significant subject than the stars of such classics as Scott Baio is 45 .... and single, Tommy Lee Goes to College, or Tori & Dean? Seems like he's got a much more interesting, relevant, and compelling story.
I would agree.
The only way to make both of these things work is to make plays on the field.
Otherwise he is just a footnote. Nothing more.
Also, if he is cut. I don't see another team playing with the notion that he can contribute and the headache of the media being worth it enough.
If Sam can just focus on football, I do think he's good enough to make an NFL roster,
But man, the Rams' dline is pretty loaded already.
Yeah, but even those guys didn't pull that coming into their rookie season. They wouldn't have gotten away with it if they did.
Sam wants respect and equal treatment? Sure he should get that.
Sam also needs to GIVE respect to the profession he wants to be an equal part of.
Turning the organization who hired you (and all your teammates) into possible fodder for an Oprah show circus is the height of selfishness and short-sightedness.
Sam himself said he just wants to be a football player not a "gay" football player.
Nothing he has done thus far in this process proves that.
He is making it more difficult for future gay athletes to come out by alienating so many.
That is my two cents and I am NOT a homophobe.
The other side of this is that it is an important event to document. This means a lot to many people. All a reality show means is a camera follows him around (although it seems that can't do that in the Rams' facility outside of normal media access).
You argue that Sam doesn't want to be known as a gay football player. I expect that what many people who watch the show are going to learn is that he's not very different from most young men entering the NFL. I expect the similarities strongly outweigh the one major difference.
I also want to note that your "future gay athletes" statement is off-base. This league employs nearly 2000 young men on some form of NFL roster every year. To assume that none are gay is ridiculous.
Obviously I meant future "open" or "out" gay athletes. Yes we've had gay players before.
I'm sorry you are naive to think "all a reality show does is follow someone around". That is NEVER true - events are orchestrated and manipulated. They already have been and will continue to be in this case as in the case of every reality show ever.
And I don't argue Sam doesn't want to be known as a gay football player - HE DID. Now he's flipped on that. Sam IS different than every rookie NFL player ever - not one has ever agreed to film a TV show as he enters camp. That is calling special attention to oneself, not trying to show one is normal. There is nothing normal about an Oprah reality show.
Playing in the NFL is a privilege and a JOB. Sam has been given equal rights and treatment. Now he wants to be singled out.
What you or I think really doesn't matter anyway. What his teammates who are trying to WORK does matter. and I guarantee you most do not like this development. That is important and will make accepance of future gay players difficult. Is anyone in Sam's camp concerned about that?
He postponed it so now will everyone say he's all about football or nah?
It will be very hard on him to even make that team. It was a good decision to delay or cancel that show.
Wants to be singled out? How many players given the opportunity for such exposure would pass? Keep in mind it ain't just about playing. It is about turning that into other paid opportunities if you can get them.
Oh yeah. He put the show on hold. You gotta find another reason to hate him
"I'd just like to thank everyone for coming to the press conference that I called to tell everyone that my sexuality is not a big deal at all. I'm a football player first and foremost and I'd like to just focus on football and not anything else. I'll now field questions about being gay, but please remember I want to be known as Michael Sam the football player, not Michael Sam the gay football player. I'm sure you guys will understand if I cut this press conference short, I have to get ready for a documentary being made about me being the first openly gay football player." -
That's essentially what I hear whenever Michael Sam opens his mouth. You won't see any other 7th rounder get all the attention that he's getting, heck imagine the backlash in Johnny Manziel was filming a documentary. I could see Michael Sam going the way of Tim Tebow, people love him at first, but then soon grow too tired of the media obsession of him.
I personally think it's smart of him to try and milk his 15 minutes of fame because I think he'll soon go the way of most 7th round draft picks. He probably shouldn't have been drafted and the only reason why he was drafted was because he was gay. Jackson Jeffcoat was just as decorated, if not more decorated than Sam and he went undrafted. Sam has terrible measurables, and his stats are deceiving, 9 of his 11.5 sacks came against sub .500 teams last year and he had a heralded DE playing across from him to soak up the double teams. I have no problem with him being gay, more power to him, but I do have a problem with him saying it doesn't matter only to keep bringing it up and calling him brave. The bravery in the matter is void if anyone who is not adamantly in support of you is publicly lampooned and reprimanded.
I'm sure he is being advised to do the press conferences; keep your name out there.
It all adds to a paycheck eventually.
Playing the hate card, eh? How mature. And here everyone was having an honest discussion. Sad.
Great idea to cancel the show. Confirms everything me and about a million other people were saying.
Your post confirms you are just looking for a reason
Not taking the hate bait.
The mods have asked repeatedly for civility regarding this subject.
Back to subject, after talking w the Rams, Sam's camp has backed off the show. It was almost universally agreed the show was a horrible idea and no doubt that was made plain to Sam by the team that is hiring him.
For now, common sense has prevailed. That's good.
I'm sure the Rams said do this show and you're cut.
That was as civil as it could be said.
So then you agree he's more passionate about football
As WHAT could be said? It's easy to throw out insinuations based on nothing when there are no facts left to discuss.
So far you've accused me of hate and "looking for a reason". But yet you have no proof of what you're accusing. None.
There was and is nothing civil about that cheap tactic you are using against someone you don't even know and you are completely wrong about.
Gay slurs are wrong when discussing this issue (or anytime), and so is claiming or implying someone hates gays or is a bigot because they disagree with something a gay person is doing professionally.
So go ahead and post another implication. It only cheapens you not me. And this Oprah show issue is settled (correctly I might add) so I won't bother to respond so have at it.
And mods, please, while you are policing threads on the lookout for offensive talk, please include posts that throw out unfounded and personal accusations of hate or bigotry. Thank you