What does Kenyon Coleman have to do with training wheels?

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by Bleed Blue, Sep 21, 2006.

  1. Bleed Blue

    Bleed Blue Dallas 67

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    I think that's the only reason he is still a Cowboy. When Bill is sure Ratliff and Hatcher are going to be players, he will become expendable. He did play well in the Washington game. Dallas gave up a draft pick to get him. Do you think Dallas could get a 6th or 7th for him when the time comes? Do you think it could be before the trade deadline this year or is it next?
  2. SuspectCorner

    SuspectCorner Bromo

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    i certainly wouldn't trade the guy unless the offer is startling. he has the potential to make a higher-priced player ultimately expendable.

    he's huge and he provides quality depth. and a quality rotation benefits the WHOLE defense.

    4th rounder minimum.

    coleman is a keeper.
  3. lane

    lane The Chairman

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    indeed.......coleman is another player that provides depth from hell!
  4. Galian Beast

    Galian Beast Well-Known Member

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    he will become expendable at the end of the year. There is no way our team carries him next year.

    We have 4 beastly defensive ends, we can't carry 5, and we all know it.

    There are a lot of players on the team that are becoming expendable because of good play from the youth.

    Al Singleton I don't really think will get resigned. (But I've been thinking that for a couple years). Marcus Coleman isn't needed with the way Watkins is playing. But maybe you add him for depth at corner and safety..?
  5. Clove

    Clove Shrinkage

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    I'm in the keep him boat. I would hate to think of one of our DLine studs going down, and not having Coleman there to keep the train rolling.

    STSINAZ Active Member

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    he played pretty well last game...bill figured he had to keep his guys rested and coleman does just that...
  7. Galian Beast

    Galian Beast Well-Known Member

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    We have 4 defensive ends... that is enough to keep them pretty fresh, and yet still get them all on the field.

    Spears and Canty will be involved with the 3-4 downs, and Ratliff and Hatcher will be involved in nickel passing downs. Spears and Canty will see some time on the nickel too as our defensive ends will have to play both end and tackle in the 3-4 as they spell Ellis and Ware.

    Each defensive end will probably see some mixture of 75% playing time.

    something like 25% end in the 3-4, 25% tackle the in the nickel, and 25% end inthe nickel.

    Obviously the numbers will change depending on who it is. Like Spears and Canty will probably be prodimantly found the the 3-4 base defense. And Ratliff and Hatcher would be mostly in the nickel.
  8. junk

    junk I've got moxie

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    He is a free agent after the season. If Dallas wants to keep him, they'll have to sign him to a new deal.

    Thinking he is worth a 4th round is a classic case of Dallas fans overrating one of their own. He'd probably net a 6th or 7th if Dallas decided to move him.

    I don't think Hatcher is strong enough in the run game yet to be much of a backup option as a 3-4 DE. I expect Dallas hopes Coleman can fill that role this year and after a year in the weight program, Hatcher can move into that role next year.
  9. CrazyCowboy

    CrazyCowboy Well-Known Member

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    I read that Coleman is one of our strongest players......I believe that is one reason he is on the team......stopping the run and clogging things up on the line with his strength
  10. baj1dallas

    baj1dallas New Member

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    Coleman is an experienced, versatile player. Bill knows what he'll get outta Coleman. So many plays on special teams, so many in the base, so many in goalline, etc. So basically it comes down to, can you replace him with a guy who will give you more plays that either has a higher potential or that you also know won't screw up.
  11. tunahelper

    tunahelper Well-Known Member

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    He played nickel DT against the skins. I havent noticed him doing that in the past.
    Maybe he could stay with a extra position added to him?
  12. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    I think Dallas will make Coleman an offer on a contract, I'm not sure it will be enough to keep him from moving else where
  13. Stautner

    Stautner New Member

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    What's obvious is that Coleman is not one of the young studs that can be in the plans for years.

    It seems pretty evident that how well Hatcher and Ratliff develop over the course of the year will tell the tale on whether Coleman becomes expendable or not. Right now HAtcher and Ratliff are essentially penetrators on passing downs and not in the rotation on running downs. If those guys can devolop the all around package then Coleman's days may well be numbered after this year.
  14. AbeBeta

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    Why do folks want to get rid of Coleman?

    Keep in mind that Ratliff is our NT backup right now. Coleman allows us to use him that way. So long as guys like Hatcher are liabilities against the run, Coleman will have a spot here. I wouldn't be shocked to see him return next year -- that would allow us to concentrate on NT and other spots in the draft (you know, like LB and TE).
  15. baj1dallas

    baj1dallas New Member

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    Because he's just a guy. What good does it do to have some backup on your roster when you can sign an over the hill big name vet who won't perform up to his contract? Just think man, you could have Warren Sapp as your backup! Who wouldn't want that, Warren Sapp! Why he'd probably get 10 sacks a year in 10 plays a game. Or else draft another 1st round pick and he'll get a TD every game, somehow. Why are you trying to be logical when you can get rid of a guy for somebody who'll surely turn out to be a superstar (and if he's not, you just rail on Jerry/BP for signing another bust!)
  16. Bleed Blue

    Bleed Blue Dallas 67

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    Do you really think Dallas could keep and pay everyone? Ratliff, Hatcher,Canty, Spears,Coleman That's a lot of SB if they all play to their potential. It would take (Please forgive me) A RedSkin cap blunder to do it!
  17. Stautner

    Stautner New Member

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    We could keep them all next year - all aren't going to be commanding big free agent bucks next year - even if they were all available to look for them.
  18. Bob Sacamano

    Bob Sacamano Benched

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    Coleman is a veteran who's perfectly suited for the 3-4, we lack that at the moment, the veteran aspect at least

    and him fetching a 4th? LOL
  19. AbeBeta

    AbeBeta Well-Known Member

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    We aren't going to pay Coleman big money -- nor is he going to command big money. All of these guys are at least 3 years from us even thinking about re-signing them. But just in case, you want to get rid of Coleman. Very very smart.
  20. ddh33

    ddh33 Active Member

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    Hey, Coleman can play on my team. He's the kind of guy I would be trying to upgrade if he was a starter. As a rotational guy and backup, he's very good. I like his strength and what he brings to this team. I've been intrigued by seeing Ratliff's work inside too. Coleman is a big help in that regard.

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