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What kind of impact will Gavin Escobar and Terance Williams have on this offense?

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by iceman117, Jun 23, 2013.

  1. Section444

    Section444 Well-Known Member

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    Barring injuries, I don't foresee either of them having much of an impact. For whatever reason, either Jerry or Garrett seem opposed to utilizing rookies in major roles on either side of the ball. Now if they are both given a "fair" chance to make an impact, and actually see playing time, I don't doubt that they can make us a better, more dangerous team.
  2. CowboysYanksLakers

    CowboysYanksLakers Well-Known Member

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    I'm willing to say they will have a rather large impact on the offense... Both are big targets!
  3. cannonball44

    cannonball44 Stephen Peterman's Campaign Manager

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    i pray that romo doesnt throw for 5000 yards.... something went horribly wrong with run game and defense.

    i think terrance is troy williamson 1.2. hope im wrong.
  4. jobberone

    jobberone Right turn Clyde Staff Member

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    He threw for 5000 last year; well, 4800. I'd like to see ypa go up just like for rushing which needs to go up almost a yard. Williams is supposed to be able to catch the ball.
  5. TheCount

    TheCount Pixel Pusher

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    I actually don't think they'll have that large of an impact. I could see Escobar having an impact similar to Hernandez as a rookie (50 catches, 500 yards, 5 TD's), but I think those TD's are taken away from someone else's totals as opposed to in addition to. This is based mostly on the fact that I don't think passing was the main problem, and hope that we'll be running better.

    WR's on the other hand, are extremely finicky. I don't even think he's as good as Dwayne Harris right now, and if he ends up seeing the field more than Dwayne, it has more to do with his measureables and favoritism than actually earning the reps. If that puts him at 4th on the depth chart, then you're looking at MAYBE 350 - 400 yards and a few TD's. Maybe.
  6. JohnsKey19

    JohnsKey19 Well-Known Member

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    As far as potential, I believe Williams can make the bigger impact if he can stretch the field and influence coverage. As far as numbers, I'd be shocked if either player finishes with 500 yds.
  7. Califan007

    Califan007 Well-Known Member

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    They themselves may not have much of an impact in terms of how much they score or how many receptions/yards they get, but I bet your 1st half scoring goes over 10 pts regularly this season because of their presence. I fear your depth just instantly improved with those two guys.
  8. percyhoward

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    I think so too. When we lost Robinson, it left a void. Dallas was the only team that spent 2 of its first 3 picks on a pass catcher. The obvious expectation is that Escobar or Williams (or both combined) would immediately fill that void.
  9. ringmaster

    ringmaster Well-Known Member

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    As for comparing Terrance Williams, to Troy Williamson you are wrong their games are nothing alike.
  10. ringmaster

    ringmaster Well-Known Member

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    He threw for 4903 yds to be exact and I also agree that the run game needs to improve and most importantly better pass, and run blocking if that happens this offense is top 5 easily this season.
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  11. iceman117

    iceman117 Active Member

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    Some good feedback from everyone. I am hoping Romos passing number go down this year because we have to stay committed to the run game more. I believe Romo is an elite QB if he is only asked to throw the ball 30-35 times a game instead of 40-50 times. Also that will add the threat of play action which Romo showed he can be really good at early in his career when we had a run game that threatened defense a little bit.

    I think Williams has good ball skills and if used he can be our deep threat. I wanted to know if other people felt the same way. I wasn't putting any stock in his stats nessicarily but if he can be that deep threat we lacked the last few years that can add a whole new element to our offense.

    With Esobar I was basically asking if you guys believed he can be a nice addition to the redone offense for whatever reason Witten is just better in between the 20s so we need a TE once we get down there to finish drives putting 7 on the board, I think Escobar can be that guy... With all that being said I expect Dallas to have a top 5 offense (points wise) in the NFL. Thoughts?
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  12. ringmaster

    ringmaster Well-Known Member

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    I think for right now and I could be wrong about this he will be used for that purpose if Austin, and Bryant remains healthy and that is a big if especially with Miles looking at his Baylor video he has that deep game speed you want to scare defenses.

    As for Escobar alot of people assume he will just be used in the redzone and I don't have any problems with that btw the guy can also run deeper seam routes as well most people seem to be understimating that part of his game so yes I think he can be that guy.
  13. iceman117

    iceman117 Active Member

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    So do you expect this to be a potent offense, as I do or do you think it will be an average- to above average offense?
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  14. ringmaster

    ringmaster Well-Known Member

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    I think if the o-line improves with the blocking then this offense could easily be top 5 IMHO.
  15. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    Escobar could make a big impact in the red zone. He's a big target who can go up and get the ball so if he can produce 7-8 TD's he'll be worth the pick. With Witten and Dez on the field Escobar isn't going to make a big impact with the number of catches he has so he needs to show up on 3rd down and help put some points on the board when the Cowboys are in scoring position. As for Williams he has the potential to be a very good 3rd receiver and could pay big dividends as a starter in the event Austin continues having hamstring issues or Dez were to go down.
  16. Next Years Champ

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    Definitely agree. As much as I'd like to see them contribute alot..Garrett is not going to take touches away from Witten or Dez to involve them.

    A few formations to tinker with getting them playing time or a special isolation play maybe. But unless injuries pop up, then these guys are bench huggers this year. We don't have a good history with rookies playing in their first years without getting hurt.

    I'd just as soon theysit back, learn what it's about and learn how to play a 16 game season and stay healthy. Then next year..let them really step up if they can.

    Miles Austin is going to make or break his future this season with us and Witten's

    bound to lose a step soon.

    They'll get their chances then.
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  17. jobberone

    jobberone Right turn Clyde Staff Member

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    We averaged 3.6 yards a carry last year. That has got to go up almost a yard to be average. I really don't care about the average as much as I do that we run efficiently. And that means we run efficiently in short yardage particularly around the goal line, get our right side to block closer to the average of the left side to get balance, break a few legitimate runs, and make teams play more balanced run and pass. And we need to be able to run the ball when we need to run out the clock. To do all that then the average will go up. Passing in the RZ needs to be more efficient. IOWs to be successful offensively we need to do well in the red zone. If we do that then I agree with others that this will be a top ten scoring offense. Maybe top five.
  18. waving monkey

    waving monkey Well-Known Member

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    Cobar will get his plays in the Red zone/ the hairs on the back of my neck rise when Red's play calling is referenced regarding his limited play calling. My thoughts always are
    looking at what options he had trying to keep Romo alive. Schemes necessarily are restricted when you can't seem to impede the rush.
  19. superpunk

    superpunk Benched

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    Dez Witten and Austin are 123.

    Last season the entire rest of our receivers combined for like 11 TDs. So there's no way we're getting that from these two alone.

    3-400 yards almost entirely from Williams and 3 TDs.
  20. TheFinisher

    TheFinisher Well-Known Member

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    If Williams can be a vertical threat for us and create a splash play down the field once or twice a game I'd consider that a good season for him. He's a tall vertical receiver who should average a high YPC, but probably won't see a high volume of targets early on.

    And I'm not really sure what to expect out of Escobar. We spent a premium pick on him but the way we've used the TE2 in the past has me reserved when projecting the impact he'll have. Hopefully his size can create some redzone matchups, if he can give us say 5 TDs in year one I'd be happy with that considering our recent redzone woes, but I don't see him catching more than 30 balls over the course of the season.

    There's only one football to go around, and those guys at best are 4th and 5th options.. maybe even lower when you factor in the backs and what Harris' role becomes this year.

    That being said, depth is extremely important and we lacked it last season. I feel much more confident in our weapons if Dez, Miles or Witten miss time.

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