Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by JonJon, Feb 22, 2012.
Kirkpatrick and Upshaw. I also think Kirkpatrick will make a good safety, but thats a too much of a gamble at 14. And Upshaw I just dont see having the elite speed and athleticism to excel rushing around the edge in the NFL.
What's surprising about it? He's not eye-popping as a CB, is likely a Safety convert, and is a bonehead.
Loool, and what exactly does "eye-popping as a CB" mean?
Hes going to lack the elite speed and agility/fluid hips to keep up with some NFL receivers. I think he will make an above average CB, but I think he will be best suited at FS. Taking a similar career route as Malcolm Jenkins. He's really a similar player in general to Malcolm.
I think the "bad hips" thing has just been parroted and has now snowballed into what it is now. It's beyond me where people are getting this. I'd be willing to bet he's going to be one of the better performers in the agility drills (3-cone, shuttle, et cetera) at the combine and will time much better than a lot of the smaller CBs; what makes him special for a player his size are his fluid hips.
I am interested in seeing how he runs at the combine.
His hips are fluid, especially for his size. Add that to his size and strength and he could be special IMO.
I will be watching him at the combine, interested in his numbers.
What are the negatives for Upshaw? I am genuinely wondering. I don't watch too much College football so was hoping for opinions. I have read some good things about him recently.
I have no idea what people are seeing in him.
I made a point to follow him coming out of high school because he was the top rated CB. I've seen nearly every game he has played. So for me, it's not an opinion stolen from someone else. His hips are not very fluid and he doesn't have great speed. Pay attention to the back peddling drill if he does it at the combine and you will see the tight hips I'm talking about.
I guess the guys I am skeptical on include
D Still - hot/cold, 1 productive year, etc.
Brockers - I think he's interesting, but you're drafting mostly on potential, imo. Higher risk/reward type.
not sure what to think on Kirkpatrick yet. I would rather go with Jenkins purely at the CB position, however.
Upshaw - I think he can be "solid". Like Spencer, imo. Not going to be a huge sack guy though. I don't think he'll be a bust.
I doubt we take a WR in Round 1 in any case.
Kirkpatrick or Janoris Jenkins ... dont want anything to do with the Weed Brothers ... ill pass and pick Defensive front 7 guy thanks.
But both of these players fit right into a classic Jerry "ooo shiny" pick. Once these gusy run their 40s at the combine and post under a 4.4 Jerry will be salivating.
We'll have to see. That's all that can be said I guess. The combine is crucial for him in my mind.
He doesn't jump out at you as an elite prospect like say, Morris Claiborne, or Patrick Peterson.
I think the gap is substantial between Claiborne and the rest of the CBs, but between all the other guys it's not that far. Janoris Jenkins might be a little better than the field.
His hips are nowhere near as fluid as Patrick Peterson, and Peterson is bigger than him.
Dont want any part of Jenkins in the first. Whats he going to do when someone gives him 2 mil a year. Not real high on Devon Still. I am ok with most of the other guys if the Cowboys are.
That is what I was thinking also...maybe just a little athletically limited. Too bad Maurkice Pouncey is not in the draft when the Boys have the 14th pick. The 14th just seems to high for Konz, but Dallas really needs a center.
Have you evaluated Phillip Blake from Baylor. After watching him, I'm more impressed than expected based on reading reports about him. I'm sure it a minority opinion, but I like him as much or more than Ben Jones and Brewster.