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What Politician Fits Your Bill?

Discussion in 'Political Zone' started by Vintage, Aug 3, 2007.

  1. Vintage

    Vintage The Cult of Jib

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    I am curious.

    Would you rather have a politician who truly represents what his people want? For instance, if a politician passes legislation that a majority of Americans approve of regardless of potential outcomes?

    Or would you rather have a politician who will ignore what the masses want, and pass legislation he/she feels will ultimately serve their people better. IOW, someone who will do what is best for the country regardless of what their constituents say.

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    Yeah, a combination of the two would be nice. But I am not asking that. Choose one of the two options.

    (I guess, I am sorta asking if you prefer a true representative government versus a philiosopher-king type approach.)
  2. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    People are fickle. And politicians that are slaves to polls will be changing all the time. Besides, polls can be manipulated by changing a couple of words or moving the words around. Its better to have a principaled, honest person who will do what he/she thinks is right for the country.

    Know any?
  3. Vintage

    Vintage The Cult of Jib

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    Its a two way street. They listen to the polls so much because they know it works. Why does it work? Because a majority of Americans don't pay attention to politics and we enable them to get away with it.

    Until we start to hold politicians accountable, nothing is going to change. There was a time when that would happen.

    Now, its rare to see it happen.

    But FWIW, I agree with you. Though I do like the idea of a truly representative government, I think a majority of Americans are apathetic towards politics, and as a result, wouldn't be informed of decisions that need to be made.

    Which, with a large population, is understandable to some extent. But with 50% voter turnout rates and people being, well, people, if you could find "true politicians" (someone who does things with the benefit of the populus in mind, first and foremost), I think the latter scenario would work.
  4. Danny White

    Danny White Winter is Coming

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    What you define in the second option is the ideal, although I think it's wrong to describe it as a "philosopher-king" option. That suggests a form of monarchy, where the representative is forced on the people. The people need to be able to choose their representative democratically, but after that point, the representative should be free to exercise his best judgment on the issues put before him.

    Direct democracy, or a democracy where the representative is purely a mouthpiece of the masses, is a disaster waiting to happen, IMO.
  5. Vintage

    Vintage The Cult of Jib

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    True. I was trying to convey the point of the politician being, essentially, a philosopher of sorts in terms of ignoring the populace and going by what he thinks is best for the people.

    Similar to the actual philosopher kings themselves (with, as you pointed out, a difference in how they are 'chosen' : appointed versus elected) in essence.
  6. Eric_Boyer

    Eric_Boyer Well-Known Member

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    The first option is dangerous. I cherish liberty, not democracy!
  7. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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    There were very few kings that ever qualified as philosophers; and not many more that really did a good job.

    The american population has been educated and conditioned over the last 30 years or so to be cynical and to care less about politicians and campaigns.
    Virtually no candidate NOW carry out promises they make; this is known and adds to the cynicism. The apathy by so many people as regards voting, let alone even TRYING to understand the various issues, just completes the mess.
  8. Danny White

    Danny White Winter is Coming

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    It's that distinction, however, that makes all the difference though.

    Whether or not you have the ability to choose your leader or have him forced upon you.

    I'm sure you're familiar with the famous quote from Ben Franklin where he responded that our new government was "A Republic, if you can keep it." But do you know what the question was he was answering?

    The question was: "Well Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?"
  9. Crown Royal

    Crown Royal Insulin Beware

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    :squint: This was my discussion.
  10. CowboyJeff

    CowboyJeff New Member

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    I want a politician who shares what I want. Screw everyone else :lmao:
  11. Jarv

    Jarv Loud pipes saves lives. Zone Supporter

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    I would rather have a leader than a politician, of course that brings up my stupid term limits thing I keep pounding.

    I voted for Ross Perot years ago, just because I was sick of career politicians. They just end up owing to too many special interest groups and lobbyist by the time they take office. One of Perot's campaign promises was to make lobbying illeagle.

    Its one of the reasons I really liked Regan also, politics wasn't something he did his whole career, as a matter of fact he started out as a Dem I belive.

    Jack Walsh, Don Corleon, Tom Landry, Chuck Yeager, Dirk Pitt...These are folks I admire and wouldn't mind being president...Heck, 2 of them are fictional characters.
  12. Danny White

    Danny White Winter is Coming

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    That is true... you get credit for getting the ball rolling in that other thread!
  13. CowboyJeff

    CowboyJeff New Member

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    So did Rudy. :D
  14. Eric_Boyer

    Eric_Boyer Well-Known Member

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    Reagan switched to the republican party in 1962 (when Goldwater was running for office). He gave the speech at the republican nomination.

    The three men in politics I respect the most - Goldwater, Reagan, and Dr. Ron Paul, all claimed to have strong libertarian leanings. It's something I look for in a candidate.

    Few people know that Dr. Paul was 1 of only 4 sitting congressman to endorse Reagan in his initial run at the white house.
  15. Jarv

    Jarv Loud pipes saves lives. Zone Supporter

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    Another guy I would vote for is Rudy, but not the mayor of NY, but the Rudy that was a scrub at Noter Dame...lol.
  16. Eric_Boyer

    Eric_Boyer Well-Known Member

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    And idealogically, he never left. :rolleyes:
  17. CowboyJeff

    CowboyJeff New Member

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    It's funny: the right-wing Republicans say Rudy is too much of a Democrat - he's too far to the left. The Democrats say he's a Bush supporter and too far to the right. I guess that's why the 60% of voting Americans who identify themselves with neither party have him in the lead with the pollsters. :D
  18. Eric_Boyer

    Eric_Boyer Well-Known Member

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    Those that have him in the lead are some of the least informed citizens on the planet. Guliani and Fox are best of buddies, he gets more face and print time then any other republican candidate, yet his support isn't real strong. This early in the race it is name recognition alone that gives you the lead.

    He had to back out of the Iowa straw poll because nobody is willing to pay money and take off an entire saturday to listen to how "Freedom means Authority". Both he and McCain knew the support wasn't there and they can't jeapordize the front runner status the media has annoited them with, so they dropped out of Iowa.

    If they showed up and failed miserably, they couldn't pretend to be popular anymore. This way they can still show support form all those American's that don't pay attention.

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