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When you franchise tag Anthony Spencer...

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by Zordon, Aug 30, 2013.

  1. Zordon

    Zordon Well-Known Member

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    That basically shows that you are in a win-now mode.

    Saying that, and also having Jason Witten still playing like he's in his prime, the Escobar pick in the 2nd round was so incredibly STUPID it's to the point that I'm getting upset anytime the kid's name is brought up now.

    This team might lose Austin, Spencer, Ratliff, and Hatcher next year. That is a huge chunk of talent. Not only that but we will be tight with the cap next year as well. The Cowboys know this better than anyone that we have a lot of uncertainty lying for us after this year. I believe our best chance is going to be this year. They should have drafted someone in the 2nd round who could be more of a contributor than a toothpick tight end who gets tossed like a rag doll on every block. I watched specifically last night from my first row seats (thanks @ufcrules1 ), I did not see anything that warranted a 2nd round pick for a team with so many holes. He is not a supreme athlete like Graham and he's not a mauler like Bennett. Escobar would have been a nice pick for a team that's stacked like the Niners. We had too many other needs and a bigger urgency to win now b/c of the players that might be let go next year to pick this guy.
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  2. Yakuza Rich

    Yakuza Rich Well-Known Member

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    I don't think franchising a player means you are desperately trying to win now. I hate the franchise tag (it forces a player to sign a contract), but sometimes there is nothing a team can do. To me, a franchise tag means you don't have a viable replacement for that player and you value his play, so you franchise him in hopes of eventually re-signing him or until you feel like you can find a viable replacement for him.

    I doubt we will lose Hatcher if he plays well for us. We'll be saving a lot of money if we let Spencer, Ratliff and Miles go. More than enough room to re-sign somebody like Hatcher. Or place Hatcher with a franchise tag. To me, the key is how guys behind Spencer, Ratliff and Miles play this year. So we have to keep an eye on players like Bass, Hayden and Williams.




    YR
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  3. Toruk_Makto

    Toruk_Makto Well-Known Member

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    WHY DONT WE GO BY OUR BOARD!?!

    *doesn't like the pick*

    WHY DONT WE DRAFT FOR NEED!?!



    Any questions?
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  4. brooksey1

    brooksey1 Well-Known Member

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    Escobar is a pass catching tight end, not a blocking tight end. They are not going to show his plays in pre-season. I think you'll like his contribution against the Giants. Also we are not in any trouble next year vs the cap at all. Every team is in the same boat.
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  5. 1LoyalCowboyFan

    1LoyalCowboyFan Active Member Zone Supporter

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    I was thinking about this as I read first sentence of the post. Don't blame Escobar. Blame the board.
  6. iceman117

    iceman117 Active Member

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    Saftey,offensive linemen (G or T depending on where Free plays), Defensive end, Defensive Tackle all need to be addressed this offseason through the draft and free agency. Online and Dline could use an upgrade through the draft and also signing a veteran for depth. I think if Miles has a productive year he will be with us for 1 more year to give Williams the time to grow along with either Harris or Beasley to develop as a full time slot receiver so I don't expect him to be cut after this year. Ratliff,Spencer most likely are gone and they really have no choice but to resign Hatcher hopefully to something like a 3 year 15 million dollar deal or somewhere in that ballpark. I wouldn't garentee him much more than at 32 years old

    Dallas 2 years in a row now have done suspect things with their second round pick by trading one away and taking a TE so the we will have to see how they both pan out, I like Claiborne but still to be determined if he will be worth giving up a 1st and 2nd round pick for. I also like Escobar but its also still up in the air if taking him there was worth it we will see, but the needs I mentioned earlier are certain. I like the way this team has been built overal and it has given me some hope so for now I will give them the benifit of the doubt.
  7. big dog cowboy

    big dog cowboy THE BIG DOG Staff Member

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    Is this a Spencer thread or another bash Escobar thread? I honestly can't tell.
  8. Wezsh0T

    Wezsh0T Well-Known Member

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    I don't have a problem with drafting a pass catching TE, but Escobar looks slow and weak. He doesn't get much separation on his routes and can't block either.
  9. Zordon

    Zordon Well-Known Member

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    Can't blame Escobar. I have to blame the organization. Whoever's idea it was to draft him with all of our needs has a peanut for a brain.
  10. GloryDaysRBack

    GloryDaysRBack Well-Known Member

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    I hate to sound foolish, bc the guy has shown zero, absolutely nothing. Hes completely deserving of all the bashing he's getting, but put me on record as saying Escobar will thoroughly outperform what people are projecting him to do this season.
  11. Idgit

    Idgit Ice up, son. Ice up! Staff Member

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    That BOGA drafting strategy is a tough one to shake, huh?
  12. Supercowboy1986

    Supercowboy1986 Well-Known Member

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    shouldnt this be moved to rant zone if it is
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  13. The Natural

    The Natural Well-Known Member

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    So openly ratting is whats hot in the streets??
  14. jobberone

    jobberone Right turn Clyde Staff Member

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    I agree right now he appears slow and that's been noted by people here and mentioned by Garrett. His lack of blocking skills was known before drafting him and that's not his role. I don't know why people insist on dwelling on this issue. He's not here to block, he's not a traditional TE, he's at this point in time a big WR who they hope will develop into a move TE who can block some. I don't believe they are ever counting on him developing into an inline blocker. I think they'll be happy if he can perform as an H back some down the road.
  15. jobberone

    jobberone Right turn Clyde Staff Member

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    Not at this point in time.
  16. bkight13

    bkight13 Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    I don't think anyone is thrilled with what we have seen from Escobar or Williams right now, but even after 5 pre-season games we have seen very little of the first team offense. Both guys were brought in to give Romo all the tools he needs to go next level. As others have said Escobar is here to catch the ball vs LBs and not to block. TWilliams is here to let Austin move inside and create his own mismatches. It had nothing to do with tagging Spencer(which had to be done).

    I do think we could've got an Escobar type player later in the draft and gone DT/DE instead, but the FO had Escobar rated very high. Time will tell, not vanilla preseason games.
  17. conner01

    conner01 Well-Known Member

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    why not give the guy a couple years before we deem him a bust. we have'nt played the first game of his rookie year and people are letting their opinion of where he was picked determine their judgement of the player.
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  18. Future

    Future Intramural Legend

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    So because Escobar isn't Jimmy Graham, he's awful.

    Ive never seen someone get so much venom spit at them for no reason in all my life. Let's give the guy an actual game before we starting thinking that the sky is falling.

    I didnt particularly like the pick either, but people seem to forget that tight ends who are 6'6" 251 with great hands dont just grow on tress. The guy has a tremendously high ceiling, and his role will be to catch passes anyways, I dont think this staff expects him to be a blocker most of the time.
  19. DenCWBY

    DenCWBY Active Member

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    Always interesting when I hear pass catching vs.blocking TE. When I think of the past successful TE's with the Cowboys and other teams, they all were involved in some sort of blocking duties. It's not rocket science and some are better than others but if you just get tossed around like a scat back (like I have seen with Escobar), then your not adding enough value to the position IMO. He has to develop a mean streak like he belongs and perhaps he will.
  20. CATCH17

    CATCH17 1st Round Pick

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    Agreed. Still early but we needed a stud TE with that pick and not another ho hum Bennett / Fasano type.

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