Where did we go wrong?

Discussion in 'Political Zone' started by trickblue, Apr 14, 2009.

  1. trickblue

    trickblue Old Testament...

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    From Federalist Paper No. 45 titled "The Alleged Danger From the Powers of the Union to the State Governments Considered" by James Madison...

    The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.
    Madison states that the strength of the US government under the Constitution does not pose a danger to individual states...

    Couple this with a snip from the Tenth Amendment...
    The Tenth Amendment restates the Constitution's principle of Federalism by providing that powers not granted to the national government nor prohibited to the states are reserved to the states or the people.
    This is why I like term limits... in Washington the fox has been guarding the hen house much too long...
  2. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    It was called the Civil War. Yes I know many will say it was all about slavery but for many in the south over 98% who did not own plantation nor owned slaves it was all about states’ rights. South Carolina 1st contemplated succeeding from the union because of a new fed tax that impacted their state not because of slavery. I’m not saying slavery was not a big part of course it was but it was not just about slavery but as a Government teacher once told me to the victor goes the history
  3. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Winter is Coming Staff Member

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    When we let two parties control the country and practically brainwash the voters into voting for them no matter what. When we, as you say, do not have term limits.

    If you got someone actually running on good principals and an honest person, they either lose or if they win they will have to change and adapt once they get to DC or they will be eaten alive.

    So IMO it is term limits and a two party system that has grown to the point that people feel they need to vote for one of the two even if neither candidate is deserving.

    We need more parties to give us a better option and keep the parties away from just doing what is in their best interest and get back to what is in the countries best interest and until we can get that we need term limits.
  4. trickblue

    trickblue Old Testament...

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    States rights and natural resources were the prime reasons for the Civil War...
  5. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    John C. Calhoun of South Carolina:

    Calhoun took a festering sore and turned it into the reason for the Southern states to secede from the Union. The festering sore was the high tariff placed on foreign imports, which made European goods more expensive. Since Europe bought large amounts of Southern cotton and other commodities the tariff meant that Southern merchants made less money for their exports. This tax helped Northern manufacturers because now, the Southern merchant would buy more from him.

    Calhoun convinced the Southern states that they were getting a very bad deal and that they had the right to leave the Union over this issue.

    The South, being an agricultural region, was easily convinced that a high tariff on foreign imports was injurious to them. He next undertook to explain to the South that these high duties were placed on specific articles, and was done, as special favor, to protect local interests. Thus he said to the people of the South, You are being taxed to support Northern manufacturers. And it was on this popular issue he planted his nullification flag… This new ******* democracy meant the right to destroy, peaceably or by force, (when ready,) the Federal Union.
  6. Jarv

    Jarv Loud pipes saves lives. Zone Supporter

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    I love you Brain !
  7. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Winter is Coming Staff Member

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    When you come to pick me up wearing those sexy leather chaps, just rev the motorcycle up real loud so I will know it is you. :p:
  8. sacase

    sacase Well-Known Member

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    Commerce clause....
  9. arglebargle

    arglebargle Well-Known Member

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    No kidding! The Ueber evil of the modern era. It allows the government to do pretty much anything it wants.
  10. burmafrd

    burmafrd Benched

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    The problem with the commerce clause is activist judges. That is where the real bloating of the federal government has come from in regards to power=the courts.
  11. sbark

    sbark Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    When the 17th amendment changing the 2 Senators from each state from being appointed by the indiv. state Congressional..........to being elected just as the Rep's are.....

    Founding Fathers set up checks and balances up and down the line. 3 Branches of Govt to offset eachother--each with powers etc.

    the change in the 17 amendment transferred alot of power from states to Feds in that states could not recall Senators that were not within the values of the states........(see a Red Blue election map)

    The Senate, which would be dominated by Red States--with 2 each Senators per state, should be in position to check the House of Reps naturally controlled by the masses of very populus states with the number of House members established via Acorn Census figures.......The Fathers intented the House to be responsive, the Senate to be deliberative---at this point they are in competiton to see who can slither left the fastest.........

    from G.Will article:

    grounding the Senate in state legislatures served the structure of federalism. Giving the states an important role in determining the composition of the federal government gave the states power to resist what has happened since 1913 — the progressive (in two senses) reduction of the states to administrative extensions of the federal government.
    Severing senators from state legislatures, which could monitor and even instruct them, made them more susceptible to influence by nationally organized interest groups based in Washington
  12. JBond

    JBond Well-Known Member

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    FDR, Truman, Carter, Clinton, GWB, Obama. We get what we deserve.
  13. JBond

    JBond Well-Known Member

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    Excellent points. What were the events surrounding the 17th amendment? Why did this pass? This resulted in a major power shift from state representation to Federal domination.

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