Where is Jay Ratliff?

Discussion in 'Fantasy Sports Zone' started by dallasfan4lizife, Oct 15, 2011.

  1. dallasfan4lizife

    dallasfan4lizife Well-Known Member

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    i dont notice him on the field anymore. i knew jerry would sign him to a fat contract and i knew it would be a bad move. i saw it coming with hamlin, newman, roy williams both, barber III, davis, etc....anyways dont you think he would be much more effective at DE?
  2. Chocolate Lab

    Chocolate Lab Run-loving Dino

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    Allow me to be the first.

  3. 5Stars

    5Stars Here comes the Sun...

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    He's in jail...
  4. casmith07

    casmith07 Attorney-at-Zone

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    :facepalm: :facepalm:
  5. masomenos

    masomenos Less is more

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  6. dallasfan4lizife

    dallasfan4lizife Well-Known Member

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    swacking. come up with something more original
  7. urface59

    urface59 Active Member

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    Mostly he's been on the field anchoring what has been a superb d line/run defense. I don't know where he is on off days and nights, however.
  8. silverbear

    silverbear Semi-Official Loose Cannon

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    Beat me to it, you bastidge... :D
  9. silverbear

    silverbear Semi-Official Loose Cannon

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    Come up with a semi-intelligent thread...
  10. M'Kevon

    M'Kevon A Love Supreme

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    Why be original to such a dumb question? :laugh2:
  11. shockandroll

    shockandroll New Member

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    It's really all your post deserved. Ratliff is doing his job as always. He's on pace to match his best year in total tackles and beat last years number of sacks. If he has one or two really big games along the way, he may end up with more of both before the year is finished.

    We're number one against the rush right now, though we are benefiting from having had our bye, but Jay is a huge part of why our run D is so good. We're 8th in sacks and are hurt because of just having our bye. Jay is also part of why we have so many sacks because he draws double teams and helps collapse the pocket.

    So rather then assume he did not deserve to get paid, try to look at what he's actually doing. He's the same guy he always was, teams account for him now which is why he does not get the freakish sacks he had one year. That's still good, it means it frees up someone else because they are worried about Jay.
  12. gimmesix

    gimmesix Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life

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    Ryan's 3-4 scheme relies on him to get offenses to attack him with more than one blocker. That keeps Ratliff from making as many plays, but frees up other defenders to make them.

    So every time you see Sean Lee making tackles, thank Ratliff. When you see the run defense making stop after stop, thank Ratliff. When you see guys like Jason Hatcher, Anthony Spencer, etc., getting pressure on the quarterback, thank Ratliff.
  13. dooomsday

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    Love to see him at DE. Though our run D is surprisingly good this year. Get a killer NT with Rat and Hatch at DE and we'd be scary.
  14. DallasEast

    DallasEast Cowboys 24/7/365 Staff Member

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    This may be a thread which attempts to elevate a player's secondary responsibility over his first duty. Jay Ratliff has shown that he can rush the quarterback, but his his first job as a nose tackle is to help stop the run. Let's look at what the defense, with Ratliff plugging the middle of the defensive line, has done thus far through the first four games:

    vs. New York Jets
    Greene/Tomlinson, 42 yards combined rushing

    vs. San Francisco 49ers
    Gore/Smith, 68 yards combined rushing

    vs. Washington Redskins
    Hightower/Helu, 56 yards combined rushing

    vs. Detroit Lions
    Best/Williams, 61 yards combined rushing

    "Where is Jay Ratliff"?

    At the bank with a huge smile, cashing his game checks for a job well-done.
  15. dadymat

    dadymat I'm kind of a Big Deal

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    i wanna play......

  16. TheRat

    TheRat The Silly Willy

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    Guys you too easily dismiss this post. And I think a bit of homerism has to do with it.

    He has been doing his job against the run. But he is clearly not the Ratliff of old. I sincerely doubt he'll have an 8 sack season this year. Probably closer to 3 or 4 sacks, which is still pretty good for a 34 NT but not dominant like he used to be. And considering his age he is likely to get worse not better.
  17. shockandroll

    shockandroll New Member

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    He's never had an 8 sack season, not one ever. He's averaged 5 a season since starting, you misremember what he used to do. Like I said, he's on pace for 4 and all it takes is one or two great games to get back to the 7.5 he had in his great year. He's on pace for the same amount of tackles too.

    So he will probably have 2 less sacks and about the same amount of tackles when nobody knew who he was and he did not get doubles and you are suggesting he is no longer dominant? He was not doubled when he had 7.5 sacks, he might get real close to 7.5 being doubled this year.

    I politely suggest you are completely incorrect regarding this year.
  18. zrinkill

    zrinkill Diamond surrounded by trash

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  19. Bigtommyb

    Bigtommyb Member

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    I love him,but he has been MIA! What a perfect time to wake up!!!!
  20. gimmesix

    gimmesix Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life

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    No, you disregard the change in schemes.

    Ratliff's best sack years (7.5 and 6.0) came while playing in Wade Phillips' 3-4, which gives the linemen one-gap responsibility, allowing them to essentially wreak havoc by beating their man, but leaves the linebackers vulnerable because of it.

    In "traditional" 3-4s, where the linemen have two-gap responsibility, Ratliff has never had more than four sacks in a season. Although Ryan is creative in the looks he gives offenses, his front line still has two-gap responsibility on most plays to keep blockers off the linebackers. (In fact, you could say Ryan's scheme even does less to help Ratliff get sacks because Ryan doesn't always roll out a four-man front in the nickel defense, which would allow Ratliff more one-gap opportunities to rush the passer.)

    The best way to examine Ratliff's worth in this scheme is to look at the play of the linebackers. If they are free to make plays, Ratliff is doing his job. Poor nose tackle play in a traditional 3-4 lets offenses single-block the NT and get out on the linebackers for big gains or to give added pass protection on players like Ware.

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