Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by Qwickdraw, Apr 20, 2006.
Who do you take at #18 if you were choosing between these 5?
Kamerion Wimbley should of been on that list too. A lot of zoners are real high on him.
I voted for Carpenter cuz I don't expect Winston Justice to be available.
I did mean to put Wimbley on there also.
I also accidentally mispelled Santonio.
I was asking who you would take hypothetically if they were all available at 18.
Are saying you would take Justice in that case?
I really like Carpenter and Wimbley, but yeah I'd go with Justice.
Of course, I am on the Manny Lawson bandwagon. However, I wouldn't be upset if Dallas took Carpenter, Wimbley, or Justice.
I seriously doubt that Justice falls to the Cowboys.
I also seriously doubt that the Cowboys will take a wide receiver in the first round.
I really think it will be one of the three linebackers (Lawson, Carpenter, or Wimbley), or a trade down and pick up a guard to replace Larry Allen (Latui, Spencer, or Joseph).
Justice will 1) not fall
2) not be selected by the Cowboys as we need a greater impact starter, Tackles tend to need time to develop.
I would be happy with most possibilities mentioned - but currently swaying with Lawson or Carpenter
Winston Justice OT
I think if we stay at 18 (and I don't think we will), it will be either Lawson, Wimbley, or Carpenter.
More likely, however, I think we'll try like crazy to trade down, maybe even to the top of the 2nd round. If we manage to do that, I think we'll take an OL, whether it's D. Joseph, Winston, Gilles, etc.
2 decent picks in the 2nd round would be in my opinion D. Joseph and T. Howard. And there are several alternatives including P. Haralson (sp?) out of Tenn. or Cromartie (if he lasts that long), plus another 5-10 players probably.
I think what throws a wrench in all these plans is the progress (or perhaps the lack of) of Burnett. Many of us are thinking that there is no way this guy is going to be ready to contribute in any significant manner until mid-season. However, as we don't know his medical situation and his re-hab, it's easier to write him off for now.
BP may be thinking that Burnett is a good talent, he'll be ready to contribute the 2nd half of the season (and possibly start), and we don't need to spend the 18th overall pick for another LB - and that it's better to trade down and pick up more picks and pick up a solid, though not an elite LB, in round 2.
Sorry for the ramble . . . .
I agree Woods - we don't know the situation with Burnett. All I can definitely say is that he looked good to me during Training Camp last year.
I remember having conversations with Raphael Vela where we both thought he looked the part! Perhaps he still will be the real deal.
According to BP Burnett is gonna move to ILB anyway. We need a SOLB. Drafting an OLB doesn't effect Burnett's situation. If anything, signing Ayodele had an impact on Burnett, not some possible draft pick.
I think if James doesn't come out and improve on what he did last year he'll be allowed to test FA and Burnett will be given the opportunity to take his spot.
Perhaps, but I was under the impression that Burnett was being moved to ILB before Ayodele was signed and after we had the injury to Dat. In other words, sometime in Nov-Dec. I'm not sure if Burnett was going to fill a hole and that was the reason he was being moved inside.
I haven't heard that he's moving outside again, so you may be right. Actually, I haven't heard anything about him for a couple of months.
Does Burnett have the talent/versatility to play outside? I'm just playing devil's advocate here, but if we trade down, it wouldn't surprise me at all if BP is o.k. taking a solid LB in Round 2, for example and filling other needs.
How many times have we heard about guys switching spots, but reverting very shortly afterwards? Both on defence and offense.
With info from VR dribbling out dependent upon the requirements fo the PR function..... Burnett could still be outside or inside.
I'm sure the point Woods was trying to make was that nobody knows the position of #57 outside of the Cowboys organisation - and this may impact our choice.
I'd agree with that, but have also heard/read that he was being shifted inside.
Bring on the draft weekend!
Kamerion Wimbley Height: 6-3 7/8 | Weight: 248 | 40-Time: 4.61
Tremendous natural athlete...Fast and very quick with a burst...Can wreak havoc rushing the passer off the edge...Does an excellent job in pursuit and can close on the ball...Changes directions well...Very productive and stood out on a talented defense...Team player with top intangibles...Is also an excellent special teams prospect...Still has a lot of upside and hasn't reached his full potential.
Undersized and lacks bulk...Needs to hit the weight room and get stronger...May have to change positions at the next level...Does not hold up at the point of attack...A liability against the run...Struggles to shed blockers...Is basically a one trick pony who relies solely on his speed...Needs to work on technique and make better use of his hands...Might only be a situational player in the pro ranks.
Could be a 3-4 outside linebacker...Entered college at only 210 lbs so he has done a good job of adding weight and has the frame to get bigger still...A classic 'tweener who a team will need to find the right role for...At the very least he should excel as a situational pass rusher and he could easily be a lot more.
I'll pass on him at #18.
Parcells said soon after we drafted him that he evisioned Burnett as a "Bubble" back, which is one of the Inside spots.
He said again later in the season that he wanted to move him inside in the future (don't remember exactly when or the exact words, but that's the jist of it).
Still like 8 freakin' days to go!
The closer it gets, the slower time moves.
Well that certainly doesn't look good.
Where did you get that? Got any on Carpenter, Justice, and Lawson?
Gonna be alot of unhappy Zoners here on draft day when we pass on Lawson.
Yes, I think you said it better than me!
I wouldn't mind if we took him, but he's not really what we need.
No disprespect to anyone, but I think most of the people that really want him are the ignorant members (again, no disrespect) that don't really understand what type of player we need at the SOLB spot. They're only envisioning a potentially unstopable pass rush without understanding the job requirement of a Strong side Linebacker.
The WOLB and SOLB positions are not the same and they are not interchangeable.
Again, I still wouldn't mind if we took him. But it would take more time converting him to a SOLB then it took Ware to convert to WOLB last year, and he still would probably never be as good as Carpenter at that position.
If we needed a WOLB Lawson would be #1 on my list.
For the future health of this team, we have to address the OL...Justice is a guy who has talent, experience, and can get the job done at more than 1 position along the OL. The sooner we start building our OL, the sooner I'll actually believe we look like a serious contender.
That said, I wouldn't be unhappy with either of the WRs and taking a lineman in round 2.
I do not support taking another defensive player in round 1.
Do you think Justice really falls to 18 though? I'm not saying it's impossible, I just think the odds are pretty low (maybe around 30% probability).