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Who I'd rather have selected than Hitchens

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by Aliencowboy, May 21, 2014.

  1. Aliencowboy

    Aliencowboy Active Member

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    Next time the ST's coach lies on the tracks for a guy, run him over.
    in order of selected:

    Selected at 124# D'Anthony Thomas - player in space KR/PR/ that is electrifying. Do we have one? No.
    Selected at 127# Pierre Desir CB 6'1 198 - tall, athletic.
    Selected at 131# Brock Vereen S 6'0 200 (4.47)
    Selected at 132# Kevin Pierre Louis OLB 6'1 232 (4.46)
    Selected at 135# Tom Savage QB 6'4 228 (Cannon and smarts/pro-style offense)
    Selected at 136# Larry Webster DE 6'6 240 (4.58)
    Selected at 137# Prince Shambo LB 6'1 250 (4.65)
    Selected at 141# Taylor Hart DE 6'6 (281)
    Selected at 144 # Telvin Smith OLB 6'3 (220) (4.47) (1.49 / 10yard)
    Selected at 145# David Yankey OG 6'6 (315)

    Out of that list:
    Thomas, Pierre-Louis, Savage, Telvin Smith, Yankey
    (Quite certain these guys will be around and starting longer than Hitchens)
    Watch Pierre-Louis, Thomas, Savage, Telvin, Yankey videos and you'll see potential to be
    special at the the very least a starter soon. Watch Hitchens and you'll agree- back up player and ST player.
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  2. AmishCowboy

    AmishCowboy if you ain't first, you're last

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    Hitchens can play MLB, that was a big factor, Thomas is too small to do anything but ST's, Telvin smoked his way off our board, Yankey dropped a lot from Febuary, heard his tape and feet are bad bad, Savage a complete project, guessing it wasn't Pierre-Louis because he can't play MLB
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  3. DBOY3141

    DBOY3141 Well-Known Member

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    I know it's been posted, but I think folks need to remember JJ saying that the LB coach, Defensive coach and JG were smiling ear to ear on the selection......and the ST coach was willing to lay in front of a train for you. So he wasn't just a ST coach selection.

    In regards to the other players, some may be better than Hitchens will...some won't. We'll see how it plays out after a year or two. Not many 4th round draft picks are starters in their 1st year.
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  4. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    Selected at 124# D'Anthony Thomas - player in space KR/PR/ that is electrifying. Do we have one? No.
    I wouldn't get too worked up about any RB.

    Selected at 127# Pierre Desir CB 6'1 198 - tall, athletic.
    Not overly fast.

    Selected at 131# Brock Vereen S 6'0 200 (4.47)
    Do they really need another mid/late round Safety?

    Selected at 132# Kevin Pierre Louis OLB 6'1 232 (4.46)
    Maybe. This is probably the best option in your list.

    Selected at 135# Tom Savage QB 6'4 228 (Cannon and smarts/pro-style offense)
    QBs in the 4th have a very low probability of ever doing anything. If Romo's health fails this year then they're probably drafting a QB in the 1st next year anyway, with or without a guy like Savage on the roster.

    Selected at 136# Larry Webster DE 6'6 240 (4.58)
    Fast but stiff.

    Selected at 137# Prince Shambo LB 6'1 250 (4.65)
    Should be a 3-4 OLB.

    Selected at 141# Taylor Hart DE 6'6 (281)
    He is better as a 3-4 DE.

    Selected at 144 # Telvin Smith OLB 6'3 (220) (4.47) (1.49 / 10yard)
    Maybe, but where does he play? He would be best if he could stay at his college weight and be a Nickel LB only. If he bulks up he probably loses what made him a great college player.

    Selected at 145# David Yankey OG 6'6 (315)
    Maybe, but there is a reason that he fell this far. Also, his best fit is in a power OL scheme. He's not a great fit in the Cowboys Zone Scheme.
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  5. tantrix1969

    tantrix1969 Well-Known Member

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    Well this was kind of a letdown, I opened this expecting it to be more like the Things That Are Faster Than Felix thread
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  6. OhSnap

    OhSnap Well-Known Member

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    Dwayne Harris is too good to ignore. I'm wondering why you don't know this.
  7. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    Yes!

    If you combine Punt Return and Kick Return performance, Dwayne Harris was the best in the league last year.

    He had the 2nd best Kickoff Return average and the 3rd best Punt Return average
    Last edited: May 22, 2014
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  8. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    I think Telvin Smith will end up being a Safety in the NFL and I also think he might end up being one heck of a good one. JMO of course.
  9. speedkilz88

    speedkilz88 Well-Known Member

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    Jax has him at LB and wants him to bulk up to 230

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  10. Aliencowboy

    Aliencowboy Active Member

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    Wouldn't say I am ignoring him, in fact, I supported Harris over Ogletree back when.

    The fact is, this is Harris' last season (2015 FA). Are they going to pay him to stay? Highly doubtful with the big contracts they will shell out this coming year. Drafting BPA helps you manage cap numbers and avoid compounded poor drafting: take a chance on injured LB in the 2nd -Sean Lee aka Made of Glass- and then draft backup to doubly penalize yourself.

    Is this what you are supporting?
  11. Aliencowboy

    Aliencowboy Active Member

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    Like this article.

    Imagine him at WLB whether 220 or 230. How do you throw slants, skinny posts ins or outs around that size, length and quickness? I thought this scheme preferred speed over power especially outside.
  12. OhSnap

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    Good point most return guys go to another team to have a chance at starting as a receiver and catch 28 passes but you said we didn't have one which couldn't be farther from the truth. It's a valuable position and can get a good team over the top but your pulling a hamstring to say we don't have one and should have taken one instead of a linebacker and you back it up by pointing out that we have a LINEBACKER that cant get through a whole season. Do you really think we should focus on depth at the KR/PR position when we have a LB made of glass? I think your just tryin to bury the Hitchins pick before he ever plays a down and your willing to say dumb stuff to do it
  13. NJ22

    NJ22 Well-Known Member

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    How dare you question our GM! Do you think you know more about football than Jerry?!? LOL. People really say these things.. Of course you know more than Jerry! I am actually starting to feel bad for this kid. Was he over drafted? Of course. But when people put threads on here defending the pick by finding one story out of a million where a guy no one has heard of likes the pick, it just keeps bringing attention to the pick. Let's see what he can do, nothing can be done about the pick and let's all hope the majority of us are wrong about him and he becomes a solid contributor.
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  14. Aliencowboy

    Aliencowboy Active Member

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    Don't think that hypothetically Thomas is depth at WR/Slot and KR/PR. Could win the starting job at any of those positions and the point is to take the BPA and that in turn helps you manage cap not drafting/reaching for insurance. How is that 'dumb stuff'?
  15. Aliencowboy

    Aliencowboy Active Member

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    You're so right. Actually, this guy by all accounts is a high-character person. Hell, I am sure he's happy to be drafted in the 4th and give his best effort for the team.

    It's really about the philosophy/approach by the brass.
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  16. speedkilz88

    speedkilz88 Well-Known Member

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    They picked Will Smith later. They think they got a WLB who has the physical skills to cover but the awareness and consistency to go with those tools. He's also already 231.
  17. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    Yes, Telvin Smith was 218 at the combine and ran a 4.47 forty. Will Smith was 231 and ran a 4.59 forty. If Telvin had come in at 231 or Will had come in at 218, their times would probably be about the same. The same is probably true on the field. How many other LBs would look terrific in coverage if they had played at 218 instead of mid 230s?
  18. dasander

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    I'm done questioning the A. Hitchens pick. That list of names doesn't exactly inspire me and none of those guys taken afterwards in the 4th round are going to be sure-fire starters in the NFL. I remember being excited about Akwasi Ansah and David Arkin as 4th round picks because they were names I was familiar with during the draft process and they both ended up being busts! A. Hitchens may or may not turn out to be good player, but he's a 4th round pick for goodness sake, so give him atleast 3 years before we gripe about how much of a reach he is.
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  19. FuzzyLumpkins

    FuzzyLumpkins The Boognish

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    I didn't watch more than a few games of him but awareness is not something I would attribute Smith. Consistency too for that matter unless you mean consistently bad in getting off blocks.


    He runs well but he is raw as raw to my eyes. Reminds me of Ernie Sims running around.
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  20. ThreeandOut

    ThreeandOut Well-Known Member

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    The Cowboys were one pick away from getting their WOLB in the first round this year. Like RDE and 3 technique on the DL, I think they view WOLB as a premium position in this defense. If they eventually end up replacing Carter, it will probably be with a 1st or 2nd round pick.
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