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Why haven't more Nat. Americans protested about the Redskins?

Discussion in 'NFL Zone' started by BringBackThatOleTimeBoys, Jun 18, 2014.

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  1. casmith07

    casmith07 Attorney-at-Zone

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    I could say that it's equally preposterous to suggest that a man like George Preston Marshall, one of the most legendary racists of our country's history, would name his team in a manner that was befitting of a tolerant and accepting individual during a time when any non-white race in America was considered sub-standard, but that's how conjecture works, right?
  2. casmith07

    casmith07 Attorney-at-Zone

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    It's proven that the vast, vast majority of people who claim to be "part-<insert tribe here>" are in fact not a part of any native tribe.

    While we're on the topic, a member of the Iroquois Nation I met many years ago says that his people don't even like the phrase "Native American." His reasoning? "We didn't call it America before they showed up."
  3. jnday

    jnday Well-Known Member

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    I respect Danny for this. This issue is an indication of where our society is in regard to these things. There are some soft people in this world that lets every little thing offend them. Weak, weak , weak
  4. jnday

    jnday Well-Known Member

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    I think if the NA had a problem with it, they would have come forward by now. Do we really need to hunt people down to see if they are offended?
  5. jnday

    jnday Well-Known Member

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    So everything a racist does in his life is to push his racist agenda? I doubt that.
  6. WPBCowboysFan

    WPBCowboysFan Well-Known Member

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    I dont know how others really feel or why they may feel the way the do but Ive always tried to not let what others say about me or call me make much difference to me. When somebody has referred to me in some racially derogatory way Ive just let it roll off my back like water off a duck. A person has to make a conscious decision to do that. Why should I care what somebody else calls me? My self worth and esteem arent dependent upon some fool's opinion or words.

    When it comes to the Foreskins I could care less about them or their self perceived "tradition." The more misery for all of the fan base, and the more time and money Danny Boy wastes is just fine in my opinion.

    If this issue wasnt made into an issue, Im not so sure any Indians would really care all that much. Maybe some would, but who can know for sure. We live in a time where "getting offended" about something is all the rage. Then, even if someone isnt in the "offended" group its in vogue to climb on the bandwagon with the mock outrage and crusade against some great injustice in some empty attempt to feel as if one has contributed to some great reconciling of an injustice and convince oneself that they have actually done something of significance. Meanwhile they are never satisfied because the mock outrage and futile attempt at trying to feel better about oneself hasnt done anything to truly mask their real issues as an individual.

    My real problem with all of this is that if all those who are so outraged by this tremendous injustice were really trying to make the world a better place for everyone there are about 2500 things of more importance they should be concerned with fixing before worrying about this one.
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  7. jnday

    jnday Well-Known Member

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    I know Native Americans that don't claim to be a member of any tribe, but that doesn't make them any less of a Native American. There are many , many people in my area that have Native American ancestors, but they have no desire to join a tribe. There are many people that have joined the tribe and they have little NA blood in them. Most all of us has a ancestor from one tribe or another and could qualify to join the tribe (myself included) . We choose not to.
  8. BoysFan4ever

    BoysFan4ever Well-Known Member

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    No you don't have to hunt people down but there should be dialogue and obviously some are offended or there would not be an issue right?
  9. Silver Surfer

    Silver Surfer Well-Known Member

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    From a process standpoint that's true, but the broader context is the notion that most Redskins fans would want the name to stay.
  10. BoysFan4ever

    BoysFan4ever Well-Known Member

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    I agree with you. Good information.
  11. trickblue

    trickblue Not Old School...Old Testament...

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    Marshall was a TERRIBLE human being... it doubles down that he would nickname his team a slur intentionally as he once stated: "We'll start signing Negroes, when the Harlem Globetrotters start signing whites." He was no lover of mankind...

    I have no problem with them changing the name, it's the PC and posturing around the issue that is annoying. I think the NFL will eventually force them into a name change within a couple of years...
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  12. NIBGoldenchild

    NIBGoldenchild Well-Known Member

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    If he was racist against Native Americans, why would he allow them on his team but not allow African Americans on his team when he was openly racist against them?
  13. trickblue

    trickblue Not Old School...Old Testament...

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    I don't know the answer to that, but he was openly racist against blacks... rumor is that he named the team in honor of the coach, Lone Star Dietz, who claimed to be Sioux although that's been contested...

    People do have selective racism...
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  14. Future

    Future Intramural Legend

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    Its not that he is racist against NA. Its that, in the context he was using it, Redskin is more of a slur than anything else. It's not like he's using it as a term of endearment.

    There's a reason that, of all the highschool and college programs with NA-based names, very few are, say, the "savages."

    I agree with @trickblue that the name needs to be changed, but the PC police posturing makes it much more polarizing point than it needs to be.
  15. jnday

    jnday Well-Known Member

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    Yes they do, very selective.
  16. jnday

    jnday Well-Known Member

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    Another question that cakes to mind about this situation is "why now?". Why is this the tight time to make such a big stink over the issue?
  17. EST_1986

    EST_1986 Well-Known Member

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    Why is nobody up in arms about the Cleveland BROWNS :p
  18. Califan007

    Califan007 Well-Known Member

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    This is incredibly simple to understand.

    Like a union's political endorsements don't mean literally every single member of that million-member union wants that same candidate to win, every single Native American member of the National Congress the of American Indians isn't of one mind about the Redskins' name. It's asinine to think otherwise.

    But most NAs either aren't offended or don't really care if the Skins remain the Redskins or not. It's hard to start a grass roots movement if the majority of those in the movement don't care one way or another. I, however, would love to see a prominent Native American group movement with the slogan "Change it. Don't Change It. We Really Don't Give A ****."

    For the record, though, there are some smaller grass roots movements taking place online for NAs who support the team.
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  19. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    They don't have time, Casino's do not build themselfs. lol
  20. Yakuza Rich

    Yakuza Rich Well-Known Member

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    They changed the lyrics to 'Hail to the Redskins' after a Native American group protested those lyrics and the name back in the 70's. So, it is not something that 'suddenly came up.' It has been an issue for 40 years.

    I grew up in an area that had a lot of Native Americans from the Onondaga tribe. In fact, I would say that lacrosse is probably the #2 sport in that area, next to basketball. The NA's invented lacrosse so you can see how it had a big influence on our area.

    We used to do a lot of tribal type ceremonies and practices. In fact, for basketball we would do something called 'Indian Runs' where you would run in a group, one right behind the other, and the last man would have to sprint to the front of the group and you would repeat that for everybody in the group when it was their turn to be last man.

    We used to do a 'war chant' warm-up before games, like you would see in the movie 'Vision Quest.'

    One high school was nicknamed the Warriors and they had a native American as their mascot, but had the decency to get somebody from NA blood to play the mascot role.

    I grew up with a lot of different people from NA blood, including my best friend. The main things were:

    1. They didn't mind being called 'Indians'

    2. They hated the Cleveland Indians logo.

    3. They didn't hate many of the ceremonial type stuff because they felt that was more of a tribute to their culture.

    4. But, they despised the Redskins.

    5. Those that weren't vocal about the Redskins name usually didn't watch football and/or thought there were larger issues to worry about.

    As far as NA populated high schools using the name, I think we can understand by now that it's commonly accepted that racial/ethnic slurs are generally viewed 'okay' if used by that culture. I'm full blooded Irish and have used Irish slurs to describe myself all of the time. The Notre Dame Fighting Irish would be offensive to me if they were not an Irish Catholic university.

    I think most of these 'polls' are likely very faulty in nature. Polls tend to be that way. I think it's ridiculous anybody would believe that fans would stop being fans of the Washington Redskins if they changed their nickname. Syracuse changed their nickname from the Orangemen to the Orange (had nothing to do with NA culture) and their popularity has gone *up*. Why? Because their basketball and football teams are better than they were before the name change.

    Meanwhile, we get people trying to tell a culture of people what they should not be offended by a name that was in fact a racial slur. That doesn't jive with me.

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