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"Win-or-go-home" from a team point of view

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by percyhoward, Jul 14, 2013.

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  1. 5Stars

    5Stars Here comes the Sun...

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    With how beat up to hell the team was last season it's a wonder that they even got to 8-8. And, again, if they would have won the game in Washington they would have got slaughtered in their playoff game and then the Romo haters would be even more critical of him.

    It's just mind blowing to read such drivel, and it makes me believe that those that stubbornly refuse to acknowledge that tells me they more than likely have never played a team sport.
  2. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    I think Romo shares in it as the QB and as a member of this team, there were alot of players who did not do enough to win. I'm not taking blame away from Romo I just don't put the entire blame on Romo. As far as I'm concerned I felt Romo did a lot with a little. Over the 2nd half of the season we avg 28 points a game but defense was giving up points about the same pace which is why we barely won some big games late in the year and were constantly having to come from behind to win some big games. My concern is not Romo it is the Cowboys winning and the one thing I know about this game for the Cowboys to get to where they want to be and were we want them to be is going to take every player out there stepping up and the bigger the game the more stepping up by all players is required.
  3. superpunk

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    Thank goodness you took the time to ignore his post and respond to his thread anyway, then.

    #settingthebar
  4. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    Are you disagreeing that QB's are judged by their W/L record and how they perform in the playoffs? Yes Aikman had a loaded team but he also made some very big throws in critical situations to help win make or break games. It's not like Aikman was carried to those championships he outperformed 3 future HOF QB's in championship games to earn his stripes. Romo had a 13-3 team that had an offense in 07 that even Aikman said was more explosive than any of the offenses he played for during the 90's. That 07 team had 13 pro bowlers and beat the eventual SB winner twice. That Cowboys team beat both teams that made it to the NFC title game that season. Romo had a team in 06 with a 1000 yard back and 2 1000 yard receivers. He had 2 other receivers that season that combined for almost 1300 yards. The game is different now than when Aikman played much more is put on the plate of a QB because the NFL is a passing league.

    You can't win games in this era the way the Cowboys and other teams won decades ago by pounding the ball and playing great defense. You can't win with a Trent Dilfer or a Brad Johnson is this era of prolific passing attacks. The Vikings had a 2100 yard rusher and went one and out in the playoffs because of the play of their QB. It's a different game today than when Troy played if he was around today he wouldn't be able to win games the same way he did during the 90's. Teams are reaching the SB today that have average defenses and running games. It's a QB driven league and winning championships depends a lot on how well your QB plays which is why the last 3 SB MVP's have all been QB's.
  5. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    How about you ignoring my posts. :D
  6. 5Stars

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    Well, of course I agree with this, it's only logical. There is not a player in the NFL that does not make mistakes and Romo has his share of them. But, to constantly and consistently say that his mistake are the biggest in these win or go home games is just lazy!
  7. Doomsday101

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    I think many do judge a QB on that I also know most coaches will say they get way too much credit for wins and to much blame for loses that is a reality. Blaming the QB for wins or loses in a game played by so many within a team and much of it outside what the QB can acutally control makes no sense. As for the game being different when Troy played? BS that is non sense. Idiots judger 1 person on a team of 53 and a unit where he is only playing with 11 and has nothing to do with the rest of the production of the team. Rodgers won a SB he played great, their defense was leading in sacks and take aways and all continued in post season and they won. He has put up better numbers than his SB season yet the pack have not won another, why? because as a whole GB has not played great as a team. Same with Brees. The 2 best QB were not in the SB this past year the 2 best teams were and yes QB on both teams played very good and they got a lot of help from other areas of the team when it counted. You pull up stats but the stats do not mean a thing if they team does not rise to the occations. Tell me who has put up outstanding post season for the Cowboys outside of the QB? Or is it on the QB to win it despirte not gettng help because if that is the case please tell me which QB with a ring did it alone. I have watched every SB that has been played and I can't think of 1 QB who did it alone
  8. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    You don't understand what a good supporting cast is because you're saying Witten, Dez, Austin and Murray are good players if not great but claimed earlier it's well documented that Romo doesn't have a good supporting cast. o_O
  9. Doomsday101

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    We have some good skill players. Austin love him but can't seem to stay in lineup much and his losing the ball in the lights was a killer but of course Romo took the blame. Dez has been up and down has had issues with routs but he did come on strong over the last part of the year but then gets hurt in the last game of the season. Romo WR late in the Skins game were minus all starters only backups and raw one at that. Murray I think can be a great back but again he is out of the lineup not helping much. OL I don't think a person in here feels this OL has played up to a championship level and the defense has been pretty bad at the critcal stats like take aways. No doubt Romo is not fault free but he does not get much help either
  10. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    The Pack went 15-1 in 2011 and the only regular season game they lost was due to Rodgers only off performance. He lost in the playoffs to the Giants again due to him being off his game and a great performance by Eli. Rodgers got outgunned in 2 games in 2011 and the Packers lost both games. The Packers live and die off his arm.
  11. 5Stars

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    Even when those players are healthy, how can Romo get the ball to his receivers when he is always running for his life? It's a wonder they have the receiving stats that they do!

    How can Murray run the freaking ball when his line cannot open up holes? How the hell can a defense with all the injuries on the starters last year get turnovers and give more opportunities for the offense?

    You know why? Because some think it's a one man show!
  12. AmberBeer

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    Only ESPN and fans without a clue judge QB's solely on the number of Super Bowl wins.
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  13. TwoDeep3

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    By your logic in this post how does he (Romo) have the yards you and all the Romophiles hang your hats on?

    Your position of "this is a team game" would be more persuasive if you didn't follow that with your excuse riddled posts like this one about Romo.

    Your agenda is clear.

    My contention is the Washington game falls in his lap for the last pick. Momentum turned and the defense could not prevent the loss because it came so late and in such a critical point.

    Not all games are that way, but this one surely was.

    Some who wish to argue stats claim that a pick, is a pick, is a pick.

    But the premium on an interception in the waning minutes of a win or go home game has a higher value for both teams - positive and negative - because of the little time left to rebound from the interception.

    That Romo pick was a foolish throw and thus he has a lion's share of responsibility for that turnaround which ended up being a loss.

    This does not absolve the rest of the team.

    But this does focus on Romo's gaff that is clearly under the national microscope and harkens back to other turnovers in critical games.

    And that lends him a reputation - right or wrong - that is assaulted on this site. But clearly where there is smoke...
  14. 5Stars

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    How many seconds after the snap was Romo under pressure before that Int?

    Contend with that!
  15. TwoDeep3

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    That is a prevalent theory here but that is not true. The football nation as a whole looks at SB wins as a yardstick for quarterbacks.

    Which is one reason fans here get so angry about the reputation of Eli.
  16. TwoDeep3

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    The rusher was not in his face as yet when he threw the ball to Murray, having just cleared the line of scrimmage, with a linebacker clearly visible and closing. He lobbed the pass to Murray that was a bit short which gave the linebacker the potential of the interception.

    You always seem to leave that part out of the equation when you rewrite history.
  17. 5Stars

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    The linebacker might have "been clearly visible" to you on your TV, but perhaps not to Romo!

    Put that in your history book.
  18. percyhoward

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    It's so easy to just say something like that. Is it true? It takes about 5 minutes to check at pfr.

    Aaron Rodger's playoff record when he has a passer rating of...
    80+: 4-2
    under 80: 1-1
    Rodger's average rating in the wins is 106.2, in the losses it's 97.1, for a difference of 9.1

    Aaron Rodger's playoff record when his own defense allows a passer rating of...
    80+: 0-3
    under 80: 5-0
    His defense's average rating in the wins is 69.3, in the losses it's 119.9, for a difference of 50.6

    In the playoffs, Rodgers has lived and died with the performance of his pass defense. When they allow a rating of 80 or above, the Packers lose, no matter what Rodgers does. When they hold opposing QB under 80, the Packers win, no matter what Rodgers does.
  19. 5Stars

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    Well, I cannot disagree with this post. Romo screwed the pooch on that play. But he also would have had some time left to try and win, but another player messed that up.
  20. superpunk

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    I think if you look at it, too - the only QB who gets more help (or even close to as much) than Aaron Rodgers is Ben Roethlisberger year in and year out.

    Every year you'll see GB and Pitt's D's leading the league in passer rating allowed or at least top 10. Granted I only "glossed" over the lists but still.

    think about it - every year their defenses are giving them two to three TIMES as many opportunities as Romo off turnovers.
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