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"Win-or-go-home" from a team point of view

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by percyhoward, Jul 14, 2013.

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  1. percyhoward

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    I answered your question, remember? I said I agreed with you, meaning I'd say what you said -- a QB. Direct, with no dancing.

    Now, if you'll kindly answer mine:

    Can you think of even one game in which a team passed poorly against a pass defense that didn't perform well?
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  2. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    Go back and show me a post where I said Romo is the "only player" that's important to the success of the team? :cool: All I deal with everyday is FANS who have agendas and spin everything I say to fit their agenda.
  3. 5Stars

    5Stars Here comes the Sun...

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    lol....
  4. Doomsday101

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    No agenda. Romo is as much at fault as any player on the team. However there are many occation he has put up a very good game only for this team to lose, if Romo marches the team down in the last few seconds and puts us in FG range and it is missed was that Romo who missed it? If he drive the team down for a go ahead or tieing score and defense gives it right back up is that Romo? It is not an agenda but it is also not a 1 man game and the loss go to the Cowboys and the wins go to the Cowboys. Not Romo. I know many who do credit the QB with the win or the loss but until the game is played soley by the QB it is a team win or a team loss.

    As for who would you draft 1st? QB one it is an important position and 2 not many QB in a draft where as there are many CB and other positions players. Also depends on what a draft looks like talent wise as to who a team will go after.

    When or if the Day comes that this team wins a SB and Romo is QB as far as I'm concerned that is a Cowboy SB victory not a Tony Romo victory.
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  5. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    Is that all you have? Let's see the post were I said Romo is the "only player" important to the success of the team? All you do is spin comments I make that's an agenda. LOL
  6. superpunk

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    lets see the post where you realize that the performance of your QB and the performance of the opposing pass D are the exact same thing.
  7. Doomsday101

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    any yet all you are doing is hollering it is the QB and the HC. Agenda yeah I think you have your own. I think Romo shares in the blame as does Garrett as does Jones as does every member of this TEAM. We may deem a position of more importance but there is no team winning out there without a lot of help and big play by a lot of people.
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  9. 5Stars

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    I was listening to Warren Sapp today talking about Romo. He said something to the effect that Romo had I think 5-(?) 4th qtr combacks in the games where the defense eventually lost the game for the Cowboys. He said that Romo threw for 62 times in 2 games because he had no running game! He said that the only way Romo is going to be at his best is if he has a running game, an oline, and a defense that can keep a lead. And this is from a media guy, Warren Sapp.
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    lmao
  11. percyhoward

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    QB is definitely the most important position on this team, that much is always clear. It's even the most important position on the other 31 teams. That part is usually clear.

    Except that, when any of those teams is playing the Cowboys, it starts to get a little fuzzy.
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  12. Doomsday101

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    I agree this team has a better chance of winning if we can get more production from the running game and defense. My concern is really not with Romo. I like him I think he is a very good QB but to me the team is the most important thing and I think for this team to win then things like the running game need to show improvement, the play of the OL needs to show improvement and the defense needs to be able to hold leads and do a much better job of creating the turnovers. What I see is we score the defense allows the other team to march right down and put up more points and puts the pressure back on the offense. I don't excuse Romo for poor passes or turning the ball over, hell take the sack throw it away but don't force it unless it is a do or die moment in the game. My so called agenda is not to protect Romo by agenda is to see this team win games.
  13. Doomsday101

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    it is a very important position it is also a position that has to rely a lot on others for the overall success of the team. As I said before the QB can't block for himself, he is not having to go over the middle and make the tough catch or drop the 2 feet in bounds as the WR is having to adjust his body in mid air, make the catch and drop the feet in play. He can put you in FG position to win but he is not kicking it and when his team does not have the ball all he can do is sit there and watch and hope that his defensive teammates can make the stop or get the ball back into the offenses hands to have another chance.
  14. 5Stars

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    I could be wrong, but if Dez would have come down in bounds without his two fingers out of bounds the Cowboys would have won the division? That is just one example of a team dynamic that can cost you a game here or there.

    But, I think Romo just threw it to far into the endzone and Dez had no choice but to let his fingers go out of bounds! :cool:

    (damn Romo)
  15. KJJ

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    You call this a direct answer? The question wasn't "What's the single most important position on the team?" If we were talking about single positions, I'd agree with you.

    It was "What's more important: the performance of the QB or the performance of the pass defense?"

    Since a QB doesn't perform alone, and since you can't draft a pass defense with one pick anyway, who we would draft with a single pick doesn't answer the question about which performance is more important. My answer to that question is that neither performance is more important than the other.
    That's not answering the question it wasn't even the question I asked it's skirting around it and trying to put me on the defense. I ask you question and you keep turning around asking me a question. I already answered that question I went with the performance of the QB and gave a very detailed answer as to why.
  16. superpunk

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    putting on a clinic in "not getting it" ITT
  17. Doomsday101

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    There is just a lot of things that go into winning. QB clearly is 1 and important but you need guys around him making the plays on both sides of the ball.
  18. percyhoward

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    In the process of the exchange, another one has come up.

    Can you think of even one game in which a team passed poorly against a pass defense that didn't perform well?
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  19. 5Stars

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    True that! Hell, Eli won a SB with a player catching a ball with his helmet! Yet, he is SO clutch!

    Payton, the greatest QB to ever play the game (as some say) has never one another one. I wonder why?

    Marino, one of the best passers in History, never won a SB. I wonder why?

    Jim Kelly went to what? Four SB's and never won one? I wonder why?

    So many questions. Maybe KJJ can give his insight and knowledge as to why?
  20. KJJ

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    I'm making a point that the QB and HC influence the outcome of games more than anyone else on a team but that wins and losses don't fall entirely on them. If you want to keep reading something else into what I keep repeating that's your problem. Everyone shares in the blame for a loss but the QB and HC receive the brunt of the blame because they have more control over the outcome than any one individual on the team. Most of the focus is placed on a QB and HC when a team is struggling. There's a reason why several coaches will be on the hot seat entering the 2013 season and it's called a W/L record.
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