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"Win-or-go-home" from a team point of view

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by percyhoward, Jul 14, 2013.

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  1. superpunk

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    Your opinion is not based on reality.
  2. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    Some of his 90+ passer rating games include turnovers. He had a 101.9 passer rating vs the Jets in 2011 on opening night and his 2 turnovers helped cost the Cowboys the game. He even pinned that loss on himself.
  3. dstovall5

    dstovall5 Well-Known Member

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    Surely this has nothing to do with the TEAM around Romo, right? Geee Romo, you shouldn't of thrown that 1 interception! Let's forget about the 4 TDs you threw, and also lets forget about the defense giving up 30+ points. :rolleyes:
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  4. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    All my opinions are based on reality unlike most Cowboy FANS who base their opinions on hope, wishful thinking and fantasy football.
  5. superpunk

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    Yup. The agenda coming through loud and clear. ;)
  6. dstovall5

    dstovall5 Well-Known Member

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  7. superpunk

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    Like I said let me know when you get done with your research. As it stands what I've looked up destroys your premise, and you tossing out random games (where we were only in a bad situation because we had a blocked punt returned for a TD no less) doesn't further the discussion at all.
  8. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    Nothing has destroyed my premise that a QB who has more turnovers than TD's in postseason wins very few games.
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  10. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    You brought it up you do the research.
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  12. Aurican

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    Romo has proven he can win when everything is going well but it's unrealistic to expect a perfect team to be built around him especially with his cap figure. Basically if you are going to pay him to be a top QB and put the money and draft picks on offense for him to be productive you can't also expect to have a top defense as well. He will have to carry the team, his job is to carry the team he has had good defenses in the past and he has failed, we will see about the future.
  13. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    Like I said you brought it up. A 101.9 passer rating is an elite level performance on paper but it doesn't tell you the whole story that 2 turnovers one coming with less than a minute to go in the game cost the Cowboys a win vs a team led by Mark Sanchez.
  14. dstovall5

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    Is it unrealistic to expect a rushing game to be better then 31st rushing in the league? Is it unrealistic to ask for an o-line that's not one of the worst in the league? Is it unrealistic to ask for a defense that can get some turnovers and not be ranked in the bottom half as well? Is it realistic to ask our passing offense to carry this team even more when they're already in the top half of the league? If you think people are expecting a "perfect team to be be built around him" then you're way off base, because no one here is asking that. People just want a running game/o-line that can be average or better, and a defense that can create turn overs. I honestly don't think that's too much to ask for, but I guess I could be the minority here.

    If our running game, o-line, and defense were just AVERAGE last year, then we most likely WALK into the playoffs.
  15. KJJ

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    Yes he has as we saw against Philly in the 09 playoffs. Unfortunately things aren't always going to go well playing good teams in the playoffs. To win a championship a QB has to come through in adverse situations.
  16. Section444

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    I disagree, Romo is definitely one of the problems.
  17. Aurican

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    Was last year the first year Romo played? Could have fooled me I thought he has been on teams with exactly what you are asking for and has failed to get it done. You are convinced with an average running game and defense Romo gets in the playoffs but what about a Superbowl?
  18. dstovall5

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    Not at all, and Romo performed well as usual during the season(still a down year). Romo did have his usual couple of games were he didn't show up, but every QB in this league has bad games. Just they actually have a team to pick up that slack when their QB isn't performing, and with Dallas you can just forget about it. For the past couple years it's just been that, not much help from the supporting cast.
    What about the Superbowl? Anything can happen once you get in. I sure as heck would've rather of been in the playoffs and had a chance at a superbowl, instead of not even making it into the playoffs.

    So you honestly believe that if we got more support from our running game and our defense last year we still don't make the playoffs?
  19. jobberone

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    I don't actually know how many turnovers are attributed to the QBs of the league in toto. Don't care. There are many ways to turn the ball over on either offense or STs which you are ignoring. There are ways to not get turnovers on D and then you're also ignoring turnovers caused by your defense. It is turnover differential we're talking about which is a team stat. Of course if your QB has no pocket presence and is getting hit with fumbles or strips, throwing INTs constantly that are on him, and mishandling snaps and handoffs then you have a turnover machine in the negative sense. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that or measure it.

    Since Romo's INT% is around 2.5 then he's not excessively turning the ball over although no one who watches the Cowboys are going to argue that Romo needs to protect the ball better. I've stated his INT% needs to be about 1/2 that. And he's had better seasons and his stats, like Brady, have improved over time.

    But I feel you are going down with the ship on this one and I don't have much to add further.
  20. jobberone

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    Once more let's not take personal shots at other members. This is still a good thread but it will be closed unless people get back on topic without making things personal.
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