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Discussion in 'Political Zone' started by Ben_n_austin, Aug 30, 2007.

  1. Ben_n_austin

    Ben_n_austin Benched

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    Islamic Democracy; taking the fight to the enemy; ending the tyrannic reign of SaDamn HuSane...



    Thoughts?
  2. burmafrd

    burmafrd Well-Known Member

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  3. Danny White

    Danny White Winter is Coming

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    I predict this thread will soon turn into a debate between Aikbach and Sasquatch about the Teapot Dome Scandal. :D
  4. Mavs Man

    Mavs Man All outta bubble gum

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    :laugh2:
  5. Ben_n_austin

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    It's a good thing that most people aren't gullible enough, anymore, to think they'd open this thread to find that we've actually found them.



    :)
  6. zrinkill

    zrinkill Diamond surrounded by trash

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    This thread reminded me of this article.

    Haters Endure Tough Week


    Thu Aug 2, 3:00 AM ET

    Larry Elder
    I did it again — opened my mouth.

    I drove behind a car carrying two guys. Their bumper sticker read, "War Is Not the Answer." I knew better, but I pulled up next to them at a red light, rolled down my window, and said, "OK. If war is not the answer, what is?"


    "Peace!" the driver angrily responded.


    "Just curious," I said, "do you think people in Tehran drive around with bumper stickers like that?"


    "So you support the war?!" his passenger shouted.


    Gee, I thought, what a sudden change of topics. All I wanted to know, if war is not the answer, then what is?


    "Which war?" I said. "Iraq? Afghanistan? World War II? The Civil War? Can you be a little more specific?"


    The passenger turned purple. "The war in Iraq! And where are the weapons of mass destruction?"


    "Look," I said, "I've got some bumper stickers in my trunk that say, 'Beheading Is Not the Answer.' Would you guys like a couple?"


    "F—- off!" they said in unison. Their car roared off.


    Ah, yet another example of the "return to civility" after the Democrats' recapture of Congress. But my "antagonist's" question about the weapons of mass destruction raises an interesting point. Suppose we actually located stockpiles of WMD, whether in Iraq or discovering Saddam shipped them out — possibly to Syria — before, during and after the invasion. Would the Bush anti-war critics support the Iraq war? Who knows? But a friend told me something that provides a clue.


    Recall that for a brief period of time, our military did, in fact, locate WMD. The story almost immediately became discounted, as the "WMD" turned out to be old and worn, unlikely to pose any threat. My friend, an actor, told me that he and several other actors were on a set working together. One said, "F—-, they found the WMD!" Not, "Hey, I might have to reconsider my opposition to the war because our military found WMD." Or, "I feel relieved about the war, the president was right." Or, "The discovery of the WMD shows that we did, indeed, face the possibility of Saddam handing off the WMD to a terrorist or even using the stuff himself on America or American interests." But, no. The near-unanimous reaction — my friend kept his mouth shut — was, "That bleeping Bush was right."


    This brings us to more unpleasant recent news — at least, if you consider the Iraq war a "quagmire."


    Worldwide Muslim support for homicide bombing, according to a recent Pew Global Attitudes survey, shows a dramatic decline. In Lebanon, in 2002, 74 percent of the population agreed that homicide bombings were "often" or "sometimes justified." Now only 34 percent feel this way. Support in Pakistan dropped from 33 percent to 9 percent. Similar jaw-dropping declines were found in Bangladesh and Indonesia. In seven of the eight Muslim countries surveyed, support for homicide bombings declined.
    How about some love for Bush, who, after all, now seems, at least a bit, like a uniter, not a divider?


    More "bad" news.


    "Support for Initial Invasion Has Risen, Poll Shows," ran the headline in a major American newspaper. Support for the war, at 35 percent in May, now registers at 42 percent, a gain of 20 percent. The next day, the newspaper explained on its website, "The war in Iraq is the single most important ongoing news story right now. Public opinion about the war is a critical part of that story. That's why when we had a poll finding about the war that we could not explain, we went back and did another poll on the very same subject. We wanted to make sure we had gotten it right."


    But stunned by the poll results, the paper ran a second poll to confirm the results. Its explanation: "The July numbers represented a change. It was counterintuitive." Apparently, so counterintuitive that, after calling the Iraq war "the single most important ongoing news story," the paper reported the uptick in support for the war on page A-9.


    Now for the Iraqi "surge."


    Gen. David Petraeus, the head of U.S. forces in Iraq — confirmed unanimously by the Senate — recently said of the surge, "[W]e have achieved what we believe is a reasonable degree of tactical momentum on the ground, gains against the principal near-term threat, al-Qaeda Iraq, and also gains against what is another near-term threat, and also potentially the long-term threat: Shia militia extremists."


    In an article headlined "Al-Qaeda Faces Rebellion From the Ranks," the London Times writes, "[D]ozens of low-level members of al-Qaeda in Iraq are daring to become informants for the US military in a hostile Baghdad neighborhood. The ground-breaking move in Doura is part of a wider trend that has started in other al-Qaeda hotspots across the country and in which Sunni insurgent groups and tribal sheikhs have stood together with the coalition against the extremist movement."


    Oh, one more thing. The consumer confidence index just reached a six-year high.


    Tough week.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/uc/20070802/cm_uc_crlelx/op_243448
  7. Ben_n_austin

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    I'm not sure which world the author of this article is living in. But, apparently, it isn't this one....

    That guy is off of his reality rocker. "Bush is a uniter". Seriously? I mean, your logic really tells you that?

    "at least a bit"...

    Um, who do you really think buys that just because you throw this little persuasive bit in there?

    Oh, and the pathetic portrayal of someone that I doubt he even encountered. This is a story that the author came up with; like his reasoning that, indeed, WMDs were a real threat, still are a threat, and were, in fact, found.

    This author would really have you believe that. What's even sadder, is that you believe it....

    And I love the "the economy is booming!!!" try... this guy is as whacked as they come.

    We've been hearing that for how long?

    I'm just asking a few questions myself....
  8. zrinkill

    zrinkill Diamond surrounded by trash

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    I saw that article a while back .... and you're post reminded me of it ....

    You and that guy are both at opposite end of the spectrum.
  9. Ben_n_austin

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    Since he believes that he can justifiably say that we found them; and that it was worth going to war over... and that we'll probably find more. Yeah, you could say, "opposite ends of the spectrum".

    I do like how this was such a hot topic for the causation and justification of the Iraq war [WMDs]. But, somehow, these days, as in the days of present time, WMDs aren't even an issue.

    I mean the WMD philosophy spread like a bio-terror disease.


    And we're still there.


    But guess what?


    Nobody's talkin' about WMDs.... I find it odd; that we as a society and as a collective public would allow such things to occur in this country; where there is direct linkage to various atrocities which are associated with this lie.

    Mind you, a tremendous amount of human deaths resulted from this lie. And that's not mentioning the tax money spent on this lie...
  10. Ben_n_austin

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    Finding Bin Laden?



    Anyone?
  11. blindzebra

    blindzebra Well-Known Member

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    There's no money to be made by finding Bin Laden.

    Also without the fear factor to distract the masses, the stuff would be more likely to hit the fan.

    The administration has been as serious in finding him as OJ was in looking for the "real" killer.
  12. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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    Who's Bin Laden?

    You mean the guy who is actually responsible for 9/11?

    Oh that guy.
  13. Ben_n_austin

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    Very nice summary/analysis. I applaud you, for once, BZ.

    It's good to see you down here slummin' in the political zone. :p:

    Regards,

    Banned
  14. Dallas

    Dallas Old bulletproof tiger

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    Come on CC.

    Bush was responsible for 9/11...just come out and say it. Don't dance around.

    Im surprised SB isn't in here dressing down you're post that Bin Laden was responsible when we all know the US gov't had everything to do w/ destroying the 2 towers and killing all of those Americans.

    righhhhhttttt.....


    Out w/ it.
  15. Dallas

    Dallas Old bulletproof tiger

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    Jeebus - they let anyone back around here.
  16. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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    Obviously you have a problem comprehending what I posted.

    It says Bin-Laden was responsible for 9/11...which I've posted over and over and over and over and over in this forum.

    Never have I ever said Bush or the Government was responsible.:rolleyes:

    What I have said over and over here is that Bush screwed up when it came to going after Bin-Laden.

    Get it?
  17. Dallas

    Dallas Old bulletproof tiger

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    Color me shocked. A fanatic leftist liberal not declaring the Bush administration responsible for those events.

    I suppose I "Get it" now huh?
  18. ConcordCowboy

    ConcordCowboy Mr. Buckeye

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    :laugh2:

    I don't think you'll ever get it.

    You don't even know me...anyone that does would hardly call me a fanatic leftist liberal.:lmao:

    But if you want to go ahead.

    I hate the Bush administration and make no bones about it.

    Doesn't mean I hate Republicans...Just Bush and his administration.

    Get it?
  19. Ben_n_austin

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    Apparently... the dullest poster of all times can even come back....

    Have you gotten a life yet?
  20. Ben_n_austin

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    Don't waste your time trying to reason with this guy. Just another one of Craig's hypocritical supporters who is still trying to justify his position that supported the lies that came from the Bush administration.

    People like him will never admit they were wrong, nor will they ever see the reasoning that Bush is the worst president in history, mostly because people like him allowed him to be [the worst president] by supporting him.

    And when you string words like fanatic and leftist and liberal together, who wants to argue with that?

    :laugh1:

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