Woods' No Trade Mock - Version 1

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  1. Woods

    Woods Well-Known Member

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    With what is left of FA, I am going to assume we get 1 more CB who also has some STs ability. We looked at J Bush of the Packers recently, but he decided to re-sign with them. I think we bring in 1 more guy.

    Round 1
    Assumptions: DeCastro is gone, along with Ingram, Cox, Poe and Coples. Top rated guys left include Brockers and Kirkpatrick and Kuechly on defense. On offense, Glenn and K Wright and Floyd.

    W Mercilus, DE/OLB, Illinois, 6-4, 261 lbs.
    - Won Ted Hendricks award as best DE in country last season
    - Led nation with 16 sacks, 9 forced fumbles, and 22.5 tackles for loss

    He can play OLB in RR's base defense as well as some DE in 43/exotic packages. I just don't think you can "luck into" Mercilus' productivity, especially in the conference that he played in.

    Finally, I would say this is a player with some upside as well. He's not a finished product.

    Round 2
    Assumptions: Fleener is gone along with Konz.

    Kevin Zeitler, OG, Wisconsin, 6-4, 314 lbs.
    Cowboys definitely have interest in this player as they have already checked him out. Also, Zeitler has that coveted versatility in that he can also play OC. The Cowboys like him because he can block in space as well and get to the 2nd level.

    Round 3
    Ladarius Green, TE, La-Lafayette, 6-6, 238 lbs.
    Green creates mulitiple mismatches for defenses. Garrett can line him up as a WR or in TE formations.

    In 2010, Green averaged 18 yards/catch. And against top competition, he also did produce. For example, vs Georgia (4-87-1), LSU (6-64), Nebraska (5-68).

    He has solid work habits and no character issues. Also, like Mercilus, he has significant upside working with our strength coaches.

    I think Green will also be a threat in the red zone with his size.

    Round 4
    Josh Norman, CB, Costal Carolina, 6-0, 197 lbs.
    Norman is a long-armed press corner with size. The way RR likes 'em.
    He also has 13 careeer ints, long arms (32.5 inches), and is great on STs. Norman has the school record of 4 blocked punts.

    Round 4 Comp Pick (It's either a 4th or 5th rounder most likely, according to Adam.)
    Derek Wolfe, DT, Cinncinnati, 6-5, 295 lbs.
    Wolfe has been productive in both 2010 and 2011. His best year was last seaosn with 70 tackles, 21.5 tackles for loss, 9.5 sacks, and 2 FFs.

    Wolfe has some versatility as he lined up over the NT on 3rd downs. He is a hard worker in the weight room and practice.

    Round 5
    J Wright, WR, Arkansas, 5-10, 182 lbs.

    Best in slot, has blazing speed. In 2011, 66 catches for SEC-best 1,117 yards and 12 TDs. Instinctive, reliable hands, and he is a savvy route runner. Mr. Reliable.

    Round 6
    Tank Carder, ILB, TCU, 6-2, 236 lbs.

    I don't know if he'll last this long, but this draft slot agrees with NFLDraftScout's, so I am using it for now. Carder can make plays in both the run game and in coverage. I think he surprised people with how athletic he really is during the last two months. We need more depth at ILB, and Carder can provide that.

    Round 7
    Brandon Hardin, FS, Oregon State, 6-3, 216 lbs.

    Hardin ran a 4.40 and 4.36 40 at his Pro Day. (Even if we add an extra 0.1 of a second, that's still pretty fast.) He also benched 225 lbs 24 times. Looks like his shoulder healed pretty well!

    Hardin was likely a 3rd or 4th rounder pre-injuring his shoulder, and he is now a late round pick (or maybe an UDFA). Hardin did play in the East-West Shrine Game to show that his shoulder had fully healed.

    In 2010, Hardin started all 12 games and also co-led the team with 12 Special Team tackles as well. He also had 3 FFs on the season, the 2nd highest on the team.

  2. Macnalty

    Macnalty Well-Known Member

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    Like them all except for the first, he is good but 14 is uncomfortable for me, I would sub in Brockers, love all the others and hope you are close and agree with your premise of gathering another good CB in case Jenkins goes south again or is injured. I was not on board till I watched some games of Brockers and he seems to wade through the oLines of his opponents, not quickly like a sack guy but never get pushed back even with two attacking him. I do not think we are going to score another quality person like we did last year in the first.
  3. RoyBoy45

    RoyBoy45 New Member

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    I would absolutely love for this to happen
  4. reddyuta

    reddyuta Well-Known Member

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    I wonder if we would consider a trade up in the first rd if we are in fact getting a 4th rd comp pick,we could use OUR 4th rd pick to move up 2 or 3 places to target a guy we want.
  5. Rockytop6

    Rockytop6 Well-Known Member

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    I am still hopeful that DeCastro falls to us. If not I'm confused about # 14 as there seems to be several available with the same rankings. Your pick could be as good as any of the others and I would be happy with it if the powers that be believe he is the BPA. If they go another route I will still be happy. The next 7 are ideal in my opinion. I hope they are all there when we pick in those rounds and that the Cowboys agree with you. I DO! But I am not an expect, but I did stay at the Holiday Inn Express! lol.
  6. BIGDen

    BIGDen Dr. Freakasaurus

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    It's pretty hard to ignore those numbers. He has as the potential to be the best pass rusher in this class. Those fumbles and tackles for loss are almost as impressive as the sacks. The guy clearly can penetrate and make plays. He also did this at a legit program. It's not like he was playing for some small, non-D1 school. I wouldn't be upset if we drafted Ming the Mercilus. :D
  7. Deep_Freeze

    Deep_Freeze Well-Known Member

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    Interesting mock, I know alot here thinking trade down when it comes to Whitney, but getting a pass rusher with his ability is never a reach. You just take the guy, like we did with Ware.

    Wright is a good pick in there, might would rather have Adams, but that is an argument I have with myself. Wright is a better WR overall with better hands and route running, while Adams is a game breaker at returner with some nutty short area moves for a WR.

    All that said, the assumption is DeCastro being gone in this mock, while I figure he will be there.
  8. VACowboy

    VACowboy Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    I like it a lot.
  9. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    Good mock but I would be dissapointed if it happened. How's that for contradicting myself?

    1 W Mercilus
    Mercilus is not my favorite OLB prospect and is a definite reach at #14, IMO. I would like him better with a trade down plus and extra 2nd rounder.
    2 Kevin Zeitler
    Zeitler is probably as ready to start as any of the Guards; however, I see him as having very limited upside. There are going to be many players available at #45 that I would prefer.
    3 Ladarius Green
    Reasonable pick, IMO. They might have to use an OLineman like Parnell as the blocking TE this year since neither Green or John Phillips are great blockers.

    4 Josh Norman
    Good pick.
    4-Comp Derek Wolfe
    Good pick.
    5 J Wright

    Good pick.
    6 Tank Carder

    Reasonable pick in the 6th, but I don't really see him as a stack-and-shedd type of LB that is needed to play 3-4 ILB.
    7 Brandon Hardin
    Good pick.
  10. MichaelWinicki

    MichaelWinicki "You want some?" Staff Member

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    I'm still not sold on Mercilus being a good choice... Not for the strong-side OLBer position. If the team had to replace Ware, then I'd consider him, but not as a replacement for Spencer.

    If the team can't trade down in the first round and DeCastro isn't their pick then I think Cox is the best choice as of right now.
  11. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    I've seen much worse.

    I could live with this.
  12. Woods

    Woods Well-Known Member

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    Is that sort of saying that in the land of the blind the one eyed man is king? :laugh2:
  13. Woods

    Woods Well-Known Member

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    Who are your favorite pass rushers in Round 1 assuming Ingram and Coples are not there at 14 (and no DeCastro)? (Also, I am assuming no trade down in this scenario.)
  14. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    It's a nice draft.
    I guess I like Zeitler, but it seems that 45 is a bit early.
    Mercilus is a real wild card. There see,s to be more risk there than I would hope for at 14, but they guy could end up being a superstar, so...why not.

    All the other picks work fine too.
  15. RS12

    RS12 Well-Known Member

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    One year wonders who were three star prospects coming out of HS worry me. Makes me wonder what happened all of a sudden. Also Zeitler will be off the board by 35. Nice effort though.
  16. unionjack8

    unionjack8 Well-Known Member

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    i may be one of the only people that isnt big on Zeitler. TBH i see Wisconsin guys in general players that can probably start from day 1 but not progress very much at all.
    They've been taught very well in school and i dont see a high ceiling on them. jmo
  17. xwalker

    xwalker Well-Known Member

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    The top 10 3-4 OLB prospects with their CBS ranking and combine data are listed at the end of this post.

    Ingram is probably the best, but #14 is really high for a player that is significantly out of the ideal range in height and arm length. Ideal measurement is D. Ware at 6-4 with 34" arms.

    Mercilus has prototype size, but has limited lateral agility. You can see the agility issue in game footage and the combine numbers verify it.

    Nick Perry is big and explosive, but is very limited in lateral agility. I've can't remember seeing a prospects combine numbers correlate so closely to what you see in game footage. I think he would have to lose at least 10 pounds to play OLB.

    Upshaw, like Ingram is short with short arms; however, he does not appear nearly as agile or explosive as Ingram.

    Andre Branch is very similiar to Mercilus with a little better agility. Mercilus has better passrush moves and appears to be a little stonger at this point.

    Shea McClellin might end up as the best all-around 3-4 SOLB of the group. If you watch him, you might not realize how good of an athlete he is because some of his movements look a little herky/jerky. He is probably one of the more experienced of the group in coverage. At times, he lined up as an ILB.

    Ronnell Lewis is hard to project. He is on the shorter side in height and arm length, but is very strong and a violent hitter/tackler. His passrush abilities appear limited to me. He would be a top special teams player from day one. I could see him as an intimidating 3-4 ILB.

    Chandler Jones has great height and length but he needs a lot of work as a passrusher. He is probably better as a 4-3 DE. Some analyst think he could bulk up to play 3-4 DE.

    Vinny Curry looks really good shooting the gap inside of the OT where he is able to use his power and explosiveness. He struggles at times to bend-the-corner on the outside passrush due to limited lateral agility. FYI - His Pro Day numbers where much better with a 4.6 forty.

    Bruce Irvin is a freak athlete. Physically, he is almost a clone of Von Miller. His speed and agility is better than many of the CBs. Better agility than the 5-10, 193 pound Janoris Jenkins. If you use his Pro Day forty time (4.41), then that was better than Jenkins also.

    Many people state that Irvin is too small too be anything but a passrush specialist; however, the Broncos found a fit for Von Miller who is almost the exact same size as Irvin. I agree that he is not the prototype size for 3-4 SOLB; however, with his passrush skills, I would find a place for him. He could probably play 3-4 ILB since he is 9 pounds heavier than Sean Lee when he was drafted.

    If DeCastro is gone, the perfect senerio for me would be to trade down in the 1st to get an extra 2nd round pick. I would then draft both Irvin and McClellin in the 2nd/3rd if possible. I would use the late 1st round pick on BPA or even trade down again. I love this years 2nd round.

  18. Biggems

    Biggems White and Nerdy

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    i like every pick except Carder.....
  19. jobberone

    jobberone Let's go fishing Staff Member

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    I'd probably take a developmental player instead of Tank.
  20. jamesdojr

    jamesdojr Member

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    Would love this draft.... Mercilus is going to be good. Although we may be able to trade back a little and still get him in the early 20s.... I really like Derek Wolfe in the 4th. He is One of the players I think who is going to be a very good player.


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