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Would this be a different race if Obama had told the truth?

Discussion in 'Political Zone' started by JBond, Oct 24, 2008.

  1. JBond

    JBond Well-Known Member

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    If Obama had not lied about his fundraising intentions, would this be a different race?

    Does everyone remember Obama's first huge lie?

    John McCain accepted his challenge to use public funds and then Obama lied and went the other direction.
  2. Wheat

    Wheat Philosopher

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    No, I don't think so. People aren't enthused in their support for McCain.

    Plus, its hard to explain why its bad that Obama isn't asking American taxpayers to fund his campaign. He basically told the taxpayer to keep 80 something million. That's why it never stuck.
  3. Big Dakota

    Big Dakota New Member

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  4. Danny White

    Danny White Winter is Coming

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    If McCain could have raised Obama's level of money, he would have.

    Obama's lie certainly tells us something about his character, but don't think that McCain wouldn't have forgone public funding if he'd have thought he could have easily out-raised it on his own.
  5. Bach

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    It would've been totally different if he had told the truth - about his socialist policies, his associations with Wright and Ayers, and his far left liberal agenda.
  6. bootsy

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    Yes Obama is the first politician to bend the truth a little bit.:lmao: Obama lied he should be banished to the depths of you know where for it. He should be brought to the front to be put on trial for treason and subject to punishment for this. Please people get real.
  7. Bach

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    :lmao:
  8. Bonecrusher#31

    Bonecrusher#31 Active Member

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    No kidding, keep grasping til you get the most comfortable excuse....:laugh1:
  9. bootsy

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    Repeat
    Yes Obama is the first politician to bend the truth a little bit.
  10. WoodysGirl

    WoodysGirl Do it for the Vine! Staff Member

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    I think you make a good point.

    Folks can say Obama lied. I look at it as him changing his mind. The same way I would've felt if McCain had changed his mind and forgone public financing, as well.

    And when it's all said and done, does anyone really think it matters? For all the money Obama has raised and spent, the race is still as close as ever.
  11. Thanos68

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    Stupid is as stupid does.
  12. Bach

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    Every lie can pretty much be passed off as changing your mind. That's a copout.

    And if it weren't for his huge advantage in money it may not even be this close with Obama leading. If money didn't make a difference then no campaign would be interested in raising it. Having a 3-1 or 4-1 advantage has to make a difference.
  13. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    At the end of the day, Tax Payers are still funding Obama's campaign IMO. As an example, I will use an experience from my own life. My wife works for a Health Care Company. An E-mail has gone out from her director that is basically asking (?) that all employees donate money, in various sums according your position, under the guise that the policies Mr. Obama supports are better for there industry. Thus, creating the illusion that your investing back into the company. Now, this money is going directly to Mr. Obama's campaign. My wife is not a Democrat and she has no intentions of voting for Senator Obama but, she will donate to his campaign. We spoke about this at length. She asked me what I thought and I told her that I did not think it was right, maybe not even legal, but that she had to do what she thought best. I told her that I would not do it but that I am not in her situation so.......

    This is a true story.
  14. Heisenberg

    Heisenberg Pow! Pow!

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    Ads are put out there so that you can push a message. The McCain campaign has changed messages so often that I don't think it'd really matter. They'd just confuse people.

    The biggest difference with the money that Obama has is his ground game.
  15. WoodysGirl

    WoodysGirl Do it for the Vine! Staff Member

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    I don't think this applies to every situation. Because if McCain had the ability to raise the same amount of money, would you castigate him for doing the same as Obama?

    So you think without Obama's fundraising ability, McCain would be leading? I don't know, but I think it says alot about both McCain and Obama that the race is close as it is even with Obama outraising and outspending McCain. People aren't sold on either candidate.
  16. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    Peep the swag on this. This may be the truest statment about this entire campaign, both sides.
  17. jimnabby

    jimnabby Well-Known Member

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    That's right. Because what we desperately need is a president who won't change his mind ("lie") even when the situation changes. We need someone who will "stay the course", pursuing a single strategy even when it becomes clear that he'd be better off changing strategies.
  18. numnuts23

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    Wasn't it said that they had a signed agreement between the two? If thats the case, I'd have to say it's more a lie, then just changing your mind.

    As far as the question goes...it would no doubt be a different race. If you honestly feel that there isn't a large group of voters that don't know the facts, don't know policies, or maybe just don't understand them and how American society works, then your badly mistaken. Plenty of people have been swayed by this mass production that the Obama camp has written. Thats the job of the election staff, and they honestly have done a great job, which has been made much easier, due to funds that far exceed any election in the past.

    Even the most devote Obama supporter should be able to see that. I guess Obama should have "spread the wealth" to McCain's camp - I mean that is what America is all about, right? ;)
  19. Bach

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    Nice try at the spin.

    Obama flat out lied.
  20. bootsy

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    Will you put him on trial.

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