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Would you mind two trade backs if

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by supercowboy8, Mar 23, 2012.

  1. supercowboy8

    supercowboy8 Well-Known Member

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    At 14 I don't see Ingram or DeCastro being there and we need a impact player not just a good player overall that I could also find in the 2nd round. I would rather stock 2nd and 3rd round picks and and add an extra 1st next year. That way if there is a Von Miller or Eric Berry type player we can have ammo to trade up and get that player.

    So would you mind trading back two times to where we are out of the 1st if we got this in return.
    Trade back to Clevleand or Cincy and add a 2nd then trade back to the bottom of the 1st or start of the 2nd with a team like St. Louis plus a 3rd and next years 1st. Insert your own players to the spots below.

    2nd 37th
    2nd 39th
    2nd 45th
    3rd 66th
    3rd 82nd
  2. robert70x7

    robert70x7 Active Member

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    2nd 37th - Kendall Reyes - DE/DT, Connecticut

    2nd 39th - Dwayne Allen - TE, Clemson

    2nd 45th - Josh Robinson - CB, Central Florida

    3rd 66th - Bruce Irvin - OLB, West Virginia

    3rd 82nd - Ben Jones - C, Georgia
  3. ABQCOWBOY

    ABQCOWBOY Moderator Staff Member

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    I would not mind trading back if Ingram or DeCastro were there at 14 but I would not be in favor of trading out of the first round entirely.
  4. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    I never like being out of the 1st rd of the draft. I could see moving out of 14 but not out of the 1st rd completely
  5. supercowboy8

    supercowboy8 Well-Known Member

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    Mine would be

    2nd 37th OG Zeitler
    2nd 39th DE Reyes
    2nd 45th CB Boykin/Flemming/Robinson/Bentley
    3rd 66th SS Harrison Smith
    3rd 82nd C Jones

    Next years 1st round I would try and get the best OLB Jarvis Jones. I would have two 1st next year so I could trade up and get him if needed.
  6. supercowboy8

    supercowboy8 Well-Known Member

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    But even if it could net you 2 more 2nd and an extra 3rd and a extra 1st next year. Especially when one of those 1st would be one of the Rams 1st(most likley the redskins first round pick next year)
  7. robert70x7

    robert70x7 Active Member

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    I don't see us spending a 1st or 2nd round pick based on our offensive line moves through free agency. Maybe a third round pick. Their strategy has thrown everyone off it seems like, especially if they want Livings starting and Bernadeau battling for the center position.
  8. supercowboy8

    supercowboy8 Well-Known Member

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    Livings is a Holland replacement. He might be the starter for now but if a yound guy can replace him they have it. He is only here for a year or two so a young guy can develop. Bernadeau can battle for the starting Center spot but that doesn't mean he can't be replacec either.

    I totally disagree. Niether of these guys make Dallas look at OG any less. Livings is one starter who is the other. Koiser, Holland, and Dockery are gone. Nagy and Arkin? May not be ready. Nagy was bad last year. I think if a good OG is there they will take him. Zeitler, Brooks, Silatolu I could see Dallas taking.
  9. DBOY3141

    DBOY3141 Well-Known Member

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    I would. With 3 second round picks and 2 3rds, plus 2 1st next year we could really build this team.

    I have always felt this is a 3 year plan. We are in year 2.

    Come away this year with:

    2nd: Brooks/Reyes/Allen
    3rd: Blake/Irvin

    Next year:

    2 1st - OLB/CB

    That's quite a haul.
  10. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    It would have to depend who was there at the time. I don't want to sacrifice quality for quantity.

    I will say if we are talking a 1st in next years draft as part of this package then it does become and easier to do it.
  11. robert70x7

    robert70x7 Active Member

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    Yeah, you're right. For some reason I thought we still had Holland, but I agree that Livings can replace him. It just goes back to our original plan: trenches and secondary. All three should be taken within the first 4 rounds.
  12. Yeagermeister

    Yeagermeister Active Member

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    No trading back

    Take the best player available that fills a need and there are plenty of them too fill.
  13. robert70x7

    robert70x7 Active Member

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    2nd 37th - Kevin Zeitler - OG, Wisconsin

    2nd 39th - Jared Crick - DE, Nebraska

    2nd 45th - Brandon Boykin - CB, Georgia

    3rd 66th - Bruce Irvin - OLB, West Virginia

    3rd 82nd - Jarius Wright - WR, Arkansas
  14. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    This.
    There is a point of diminishing returns. I've been fine with trading down (slightly) all along if we missed out on the value at 14, but I'm actually wary of even trading down as far as pick 22.
  15. InmanRoshi

    InmanRoshi Zone Scribe

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    Trading back all the way into the 2nd round reeks of the "Don't worry folks, we're pretty much set up and we got everthing covered, so we're just drafting for backups and special teamers!!" mindset of 2009 and 1995 Drafts. We saw how those drafts went.

    You don't get to draft in the Top 15 picks often (or at least you hope not). It's your "reward" for a suck season. Take advantage of it.
  16. BrAinPaiNt

    BrAinPaiNt Brotherhood of the Beard Staff Member

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    On the surface it would not seem too bad to trade back and get some good picks in the second and third round since there are options at CB and OG in that area.

    However I still have bad feelings from the last time we did this type of thing and wound up having basically a Special Teams draft that we only have 3 people still on the team in McGhee, Butler and Phillips.
  17. InmanRoshi

    InmanRoshi Zone Scribe

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    Bill Belichick hit on something in the book War Room. Round 1 tends to be made up of players who have good physical talent and production in college. Round 2 tends to be made up of players who have the physical talent but didn't have the production to be first round picks. Round 3 players typically are players who were productive in college, but don't have elite physical skills.


    Round 2 picks tend to bust at a way higher rate than the should because people fall in love with their potential. People get caught up in the pre draft process and convince themselves that a player in Round 2 is just as capable as Round 1. However, there's probably a reason a one player is a consensus first round pick and the other guys isn't.
  18. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    I agree. However I think there is not much differance from the late 1st to the early 2nd.
  19. Sam I Am

    Sam I Am Unfriendly and Aloof!

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    IMO, trading back is always a bad idea unless someone is willing to overpay for your slot.

    Quality > Quantity

    How many times have we seen the Cowboys trade back several times and we came away with lots of bodies that couldn't make the team?

    In 2009 we traded back several times and ended up drafting 12 players. There are only three players from that draft still on the team. None of them can't sniff the starting lineup and all have been in the league for three years now. One is a back up (Victor Butler) that can't sniff a starting position. One of them is *still* the 3rd string QB (McGee) even though we've had the second string QB retire. The third one has played 2 games, has 1 reception, and spends most of his time on the practice squad. (Manual Johnson)

    Don't trade back unless they are overpaying for that slot. Otherwise it just isn't worth it. I would rather slightly overdraft for a player I really want vs trading back and just taking two less talented players.
  20. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member Zone Supporter

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    There's a giant difference from pick 13-24 range vs picks 28-39 range. It is enormous.

    We are talking guys like Darrell Revis, Jason Pierre-Paul, DRC, Orakpo, Derrick Johnson, Tommie Harris...almost every single year. Those guys were all almost exaclty the 14t pick or within one slot. It is amazing.

    There are years recently where not a single Pro Bowler was picked in the 1st 15-20 picks of the 2nd round. There are, on average between 4-6 Pro Bowlers selected every year in the picks ranging from 13-24. Every year.

    The odds are just so much better.

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