Discussion in 'Sports Zone' started by Cowboy Brian, Mar 4, 2014.
It's terrible for everyone.
Except for Vince and his clan.
Aren't they losing money by the millions? They're laying off employess & firing wrestlers. It doesn't seem to be a good time for WWE.
They are having a tough time at the moment. But taken into comparison to where the company was in the early 90's it's still in far, far better shape now... even though the product IMO is inferior.
The product is inferior that is why I don't understand why Vince doesn't upgrade when he gets the chance with guys like Kurt Angle. You can't convince me that putting guys like Heath Slater on each week is best for business.
they already have a ton of talent the problem is they bury them to build up guys like Cena and now his Jr counter-part Roman Reigns. Those two are the ceiling and all the talent in the WWE is there to enhance and put them over. Take for instance tonight on Raw we saw the absolute burial of the Bray Wyatt character. This guy had a crap ton of momentum when Daniel Bryan put him over and when the Wyatts actually beat the Shield. There was a real sense that Bray was destined to become a great main-event heel for years to come.
Then he bumped into the Cena ceiling and it became necessary to fed Bray Wyatt's push to enhance Cena and he became just another heel that was fed to Cena. Bray Wyatt may be the Eater of Worlds but Cena is the Eater of Pushes.
Last night's Raw wasn't very good imo. Also is anyone else getting tired of Roman Reigns? The huge push for him is too soon. I was a big fan of his but now I am getting tired of his three moves and lack of mic skills etc.
Talent is not the problem and Kurt Angle is not the answer. He's broken down and likely on top of a wrestler's death pool.
The writing is horrendous right now.
Nobody cares about the Bella twins for longer than 3 minutes. You have Cena get dominated by Brock Lesnar...then create a rematch storyline and have Cena now dominate your most over heel.
Too many titles and they are ill-established. It used to be that you had the tag titles, I-C title and the Heavyweight title. And they trained the crowd that if a wrestler won the I-C title it was a big deal because that could mean the next step for them was to win the Heavyweight title.
Now you have an I-C title, a United States title and the World Heavyweight title. You also have all of these non-title matches by wrestlers that have the title...and you know that they are going to lose (no reason to have a non-title match if they win).
Kane is a character you can only handle in small doses because his gimmick is absurd. Instead, they like to give you a giant spoonful of them. And the AJ and Paige feud is about as terribly written as it gets.
You could have a perfectly healthy Kurt Angle and at this point it's not going to make a lick of difference because he will just be put in another poorly thought out storyline/angle.
Yeah, not very good at all. And 2 weeks before I stop watching Raw regularly, too. Shame.
Said before, Reigns works better in a group. Shield have stayed together.
Can't figure what they are doing with Swagger. When they reignited the Cold War with Rusev I thought this could be fun, especially when they gave Swagger some momentum. Now it's just beat him down until the ref calls the match. Makes no sense.
And this dumb Bella fued. Watching the less attractive Bella go off on the more attractive Bella and her reaction proved one thing - neither have any range. If they are being catty in small doses they can pull that off. Anything more than that is too much.
Well said Rich.
If there is one area where Vince has screwed up royally it's how he's handled the titles and it's been a cluster for a long time.
The progression from one title to another is horrible.
And the way he's managed the world title... abysmal. The WWE world title is the most meaningless world title in wrestling over the last... maybe ever.
Gosh I so agree RAW was awful last night.
They spent about 30 minutes talking between that panel & those twins. At least Flair appeared sober. That is an improvement over his last time on. The twin thing is dumb & both girls are horrible. Maybe they are getting airtime because of who they are involved with.
Cena was sickening last night. We're suppose to believe one guy can almost kill him but 2 huge men & Bray cannot handle him? Yea right.
THE Russian guy is about done too. Boring!
They've botched Rusev every single way possible. He's got a great look. He's very athletic and has a shoot fighter type of appeal.
They saddled him with a gimmick from 1985.
With an opponent like Jack Swagger that makes it so Rusev's size is less appealing...and they have lousy matches with each other.
They should have pushed Rusev in a similar fashion that they pushed Umaga when he first came out. I think Umaga was a far better in-ring worker, but I don't think Rusev would be far behind.
Rumors for the Day:
Dean Ambrose is expected to miss at least one month to work on Lockdown and, as of right now, he is not booked for the Night of Champions pay-per-view. It's possible he makes a last minute appearance on that show, however, as filming is expected to wrap on Sept. 20, one night before the event.
Daniel Bryan is being advertised for WWE house shows in Europe because the feeling is they need as much star power as they can get to sell that tour. Even if he's not available to wrestle, he will be making appearances.
Rob Van Dam is apparently leaving WWE again after tonight's SmackDown taping in Ontario, California.
Kevin Steen reported to the WWE Performance Center yesterday to begin work for the company in NXT. Still no word on whether he's keeping that name or not but early indications are he won't.
The rumored network interested in cutting a deal with TNA is Dicovery's VELOCITY, which is currently available in just under 50 million homes. Apparently the offer for the rights to Impact was less than a quarter of what Spike is paying now.
Ryback says he's taking some time off from WWE
By Sean Rueter
1 hour ago
Last night's Raw was missing a lot of big names. With notable absences like Triple H, Stephanie McMahon, Randy Orton and Chris Jericho, it's understandable if you the lack of a certain heel enhancement talent tag team didn't jump out at you.
But former pay-per-view (PPV) main eventer, Paul Heyman Guy and undefeated hungry guy was not on WWE television last night. And Ryback got on social media to mention it after Raw went off the air:
"Going away for a while to get some stuff fixed. Have not been myself for quite some time."
The tweet has since been deleted, which is sticking with a couple of the Big Guy's gimmicks: "tweet, tweet, delete"and messing with fans on Twitter.
Taking time of to "get some stuff fixed" doesn't seem like the kind of thing someone in an industry where injuries is commone would joke about, especially someone who missed a year and a half following a broken ankle that cost him his place in the Nexus angle and required three surgeries to fix.
But this is a man who joked about being released, so it shouldn't be ruled out.
Raw wasn't good. Reigns' push will continue to WM next spring where he might get a title shot.
This is what happens when you have no competition. If they had legit competition for the WWE out there then you'd never see a talented guy, with such and awesome character, be destroyed in that way. It's pathetic.
I used to really like Cena (I still have a great deal of respect for him and what he does) but I was tired of his gimmick and push several years ago and now it's gone from being tired of it to annoying to the point that I just really only read the show results, and watch video highlights, because the fact that Cena is still pushed in the way he is bores me to death and ruins the show.
Perfectly stated. This guy is paying attention.
And just think about this....that comment about the World title is even more abysmal when you think that it wasn't that long ago that CM Punk made that title so amazing, and special, again by holding it for more than a year and doing such great work with it.
And that's all been flushed right down the tubes, and forgotten, because they immediately went back to BS like Cena being the champion and completely ruining everything that Punk had built with the belt.
Typical WWE booking. The only thing about that Cena angle that makes sense is that it makes Lesnar seem like a serious beast if that's how they continue to book it. That Superman is able to destroy all these other people but The Beast dispatches of him with little effort. That builds Lesnar in a big way but at the cost of destroying far better characters and workers like Wyatt.
The Twins are absolutely getting what they are simply because they're with Cena and Bryan. If they weren't then they'd never be getting this kind of time. Another typical WWE mistake.
It's a certainty that WWE will not let Steen stay under his name or current character. Vince didn't create it or build it so he won't allow him to stay with it. He wanted to change Punk's as well but lucky for the world Heyman was running the developmental area at the time and wisely saw the Punk did not need to be changed.
Vince refuses to let anyone be who they were some where else. Hell he even made Bryan change his name because it wasn't something he created. Vince is one of the smartest wrestling promoters, ever, and that's been backed up by all the success he's had over the years but he still continues to show that he can be a real moron when it comes to things.
And does anyone really blame Van Dam for leaving? I saw this coming from day one because all they've done with him is have him get beaten every single week and done nothing with him. Now I'm not a fan of his, I think he's boring as hell and always has been, but I certainly don't blame him when you're being done the way he's being done on their shows.
The championship belt system works like a charm if the fans themselves can understand what each championship means and what the hierarchy of belts is.
In the Mid-Atlantic area you had:
For singles (from most important to least)...
U.S. Heavyweight title
Mid-Atlantic Heavyweight title
Mid-Atlantic TV Title
NWA Tag-Team Champions
Mid-Atlantic Tag Team Champions
And fans knew which belt was superior to another.
The interesting thing about having this many belts in a single territory is that you could roll a couple championship title matches in a small house show and claim that it's a "big show" because they're having a couple championship matches. Very smart.
In addition it gave a ready-made system for creating championship matches. For example someone who just won the Mid-Atlantic single's title would be pitted up against the U.S. Champion in a larger house show.
And when the NWA Champion showed up it was a big deal.
Back then, even in the WWWF, you hardly ever saw Bruno or Superstar Billy Graham or Backlund on TV. To see the champion on TV was special.